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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Companies have hijacked the open source concept to mean downloadable blob and we follow them as I see in the comments. It’s a real shame.

this is correct. "open source" means everything required to recreate from scratch and improve. not "here's a massive binary, an interpreter script and permission."

Linux doesn't ship a compiler or CPU when you download it. It's not open source I guess.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've spent the last hour testing it and I'm blown away. And this is coming from a very hardcore user of OpenAI/Claude products on a daily basis. It passed every goofy test I have for writing articles which involves trying to surface arcane obscure details. (it certainly means however they are scraping the Web they are doing a good job here) It made the database code I wrote over the last week with o3/o1/GPT4o/Claude3…

Apologies for possibly stupid question but where can you use it right now? Just on 'direct chat' on https://lmarena.ai/ or is there a better alternative? Or do you have early access?

I was using it on grok.com, logged in via a Twitter account. But I notice it just got added to the Grok tab on Twitter a moment ago.

Also, the "Deep Search" button was not available when it first went live, so I'm retesting everything again with this feature enabled, which I assume is a reasoning version of the same model.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/elon-musks-terrifying-visi... I'm not sure if this was a very bad joke by Elon, or if Grok 3 is really biased like that.

I am not sure why people pay attention to Gary Marcus. He isn’t an expert in AI. And if you followed him in the past at all, it is obvious he has a huge amount of political bias. It is really telling that he repeatedly goes after Elon Musk, and is now making bizarre unfounded claims about propaganda, but didn’t have nearly as much to complain about with DeepSeek, which has literal government propaganda.

I don't think it's fair to say he's making unfounded claims about propaganda, since Elon's tweet heavily implies they would release a brainwashed model. It's not his fault that Elon turned out to be lying or joking.

99% of the time though I agree with you on Gary Marcus.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Regardless of which it is, we can assume it'll be here after Tesla's full autopilot that he promised as well as the Mars colonies.

Full self driving exists, as well as starship. So I take it you mean “imminently”. Like him or loathe him, he executes , which is more than can be said for most.

You now the difference between a car and a house?

Starship is the car not the house aka Mars colony.

Completely different type of problems.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Companies have hijacked the open source concept to mean downloadable blob and we follow them as I see in the comments. It’s a real shame.

An llm isn't software any more than a matrix is. What do you think an open source matrix should look like?

Is this question in good faith? The way generated code and data should be open sourced is by releasing the tools and configuration used to generate it. There's never been much confusion around this, to my knowledge.

I'm not even necessarily advocating that these things should be released, but the term "open source" has a pretty well-understood meaning that is being equivocated here.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

You must be new to Elon's modus operandi.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

The only plausible explanation for the amount of resources poured into these language models is the hope that they somehow become the origin of AGI, which I think is pretty fanciful.

I can feel the cold wind of the next AI winter coming on. It's inevitable. Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior, people get excited that it's around the corner, and the hype boils over. This isn't the last time this will happen.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

You don’t understand the Musk business model. It has been the same for years. His wealth doesn’t come from his products, but from his fanbase buying his stock. The purpose of everything he does is to influence the public opinion to make him the tech genius of today in the collective psyche.

Of course, he needs to do impressive things, stuff that a normal person wouldn’t have the resources to achieve. It’s similar to Mr. Beast’s channel on YouTube, just on a way bigger scale. Do things that people can’t see anywhere else.

Musk’s money will come from his fans. And ETFs, trust funds and such will amplify this when he reaches a certain market cap. His crypto coins are the exact same scheme. Once you stop thinking in classic business school terms, it starts making way more sense.

Some of his ventures actually produce value! But that’s not where the money comes from. It comes from the belief, the adoration and the celebrity status that he has.

This is the real power in today’s world. People need to know you from the screen. This clout catapulted him to the government of the US, made him the most wealthy man in the world and given him the license to do anything he wants publicly without repercussions.

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