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Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by pertymcpert »

pacomerh wrote: post #164
bufferoverflow wrote: post #152

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> Is Google going to avoid interviewing anyone from a HBCU now? Why won't they? It's not like black people can't be hired anymore. It's just they have to compete like everyone else without being treated like disabled people.

You have been misinformed of how DEI works. Its goal is basically equal access to resources, addressing systemic inequities, and fostering an inclusive culture where everyone feels valued.

You cannot address systemic inequalities at the hiring level without some preferential treatment. The idea was that if you had two candidates who were equally strong, you pick the one from an underrepresented/disadvantaged background because they've had to work harder to get to the same place. At a surface level that is a disadvantage at the hiring level to the other one because the other gets a bonus tie-breaker.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by pkulak »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #160
pkulak wrote: post #157

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That’s not how DEI works at all, and you probably know that, but being “short, quippy and wrong” is just so easy.

Your response is shorter than my comment. And is factually wrong. Pot, meet kettle. As far as DEI, that's exactly how it works: https://i.imgur.com/SFf8IL7.png You see, I show evidence. Unlike you.

Yes, a random S3 upload that 401s. You nailed it.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by pertymcpert »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #160
pkulak wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s not how DEI works at all, and you probably know that, but being “short, quippy and wrong” is just so easy.

Your response is shorter than my comment. And is factually wrong. Pot, meet kettle. As far as DEI, that's exactly how it works: https://i.imgur.com/SFf8IL7.png You see, I show evidence. Unlike you.

I'm by no means right wing or a Trump supporter, but the fact that your comment earlier was flagged is complete bullshit.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by pertymcpert »

sheepdestroyer wrote: post #112
thaumasiotes wrote: post #45

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> Well, they've already achieved diversity, haven't they? Whites were already under-represented at Google (and at 18/23 tech companies) back in 2017 For most diversity purposes, Asians and Indians both count as white, if not "even more white". Government programs, other than schools, are the main exception.

Where I'm from, racial statistics and profiling are forbidden since they're antithetic with republican universalism ; but even taking the US culture into account, this point of view seems extremely bigoted.

Can you explain why you find it bigoted? I think if you ask a lot of Asians you'll find they agree with the statement.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by [deleted] »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #159
scblock wrote: post #151

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You misunderstand what Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion is. It's not about favoring anyone despite qualifications and never has been. Using it as a pejorative in the way you are is how the right wants to use it, but it is also racist, sexist, and ablist. It doesn't reflect the purpose of the concept at all. In fact your description of "favoring one candidate over another specifically due to immutable personal charact…

> You misunderstand what Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion is. It's not about favoring anyone despite qualifications and never has been. Yes, it has. Look at the college admissions. The test score requirements for black students were way way lower than those for the Asian students in many universities and colleges. That's favoring people by their skin color. Which is illegal since at least 1964.

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Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by anon7000 »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #154
likeabatterycar wrote: post #149

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> Is Google going to avoid interviewing anyone from a HBCU now? No, because that would obviously be racist. DEI would be favoring one candidate over another specifically due to immutable personal characteristics, not their qualifications for the job. The just thing would be students from HBCUs having a level playing field along with everyone else. It's no different than hiring managers selectively preferring graduate…

DEI is nominally about adjusting the situation so that the end result is equal. For example, paying women equally even if they don't negotiate as aggressively as men. The nominal case doesn't always match the reality, but the reality is that no one has a level playing field to begin with.

The whole thing is about trying to eliminate sources of bias that we can. For example, blind screening of resumes where names and similar personal info aren’t given is a way to avoid racial bias while focusing on what matters. People have pre-determined opinions about many things, even if it’s subconscious. That’s an example of DEI policies trying to level the playing field to avoid unfair discrimination.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by pkulak »

pertymcpert wrote: post #171
pacomerh wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have been misinformed of how DEI works. Its goal is basically equal access to resources, addressing systemic inequities, and fostering an inclusive culture where everyone feels valued.

You cannot address systemic inequalities at the hiring level without some preferential treatment. The idea was that if you had two candidates who were equally strong, you pick the one from an underrepresented/disadvantaged background because they've had to work harder to get to the same place. At a surface level that is a disadvantage at the hiring level to the other one because the other gets a bonus tie-breaker.

The idea is that instead of just interviewing the people right next to you, who look exactly like you and have your exact background, you make the effort to interview a diverse set of candidates. Then you try to get rid of bias in the hiring process, and make the workplace somewhere that doesn’t make folks who are slightly different miserable. That’s it.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by icameron »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #159
scblock wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstand what Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion is. It's not about favoring anyone despite qualifications and never has been. Using it as a pejorative in the way you are is how the right wants to use it, but it is also racist, sexist, and ablist. It doesn't reflect the purpose of the concept at all. In fact your description of "favoring one candidate over another specifically due to immutable personal charact…

> You misunderstand what Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion is. It's not about favoring anyone despite qualifications and never has been. Yes, it has. Look at the college admissions. The test score requirements for black students were way way lower than those for the Asian students in many universities and colleges. That's favoring people by their skin color. Which is illegal since at least 1964.

Where can I look at these college test score requirements? I have never heard of such a thing besides minimum SAT score to be considered. Is that adjusted based solely on race at some university? Where?
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