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How Spotify Killed Lo-Fi Hip Hop

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Re: How Spotify Killed Lo-Fi Hip Hop

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Debatable - is Pete Rock not up on that same level? What about DJ Premier?

Dilla is one of the best, but I think apart of why he's so highly rated is his early departure. We're left to wonder about his potential.

Some of the best hip hop producers were taken too early.

Jam Master Jay (of Run DMC fame), Dilla, Nujabes, all gone in their mid 30s.

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I will read that but... I'm so tired of this anti-Spotify crap. Artists and listeners are free not to use it, just as they are free not to use Tidal, SoundCloud, bandcamp, YouTube, etc. It's a platform and the market is free. If it's not working out for you find a different way to market yourself. It's not like top 40 or the Grammys are fair either. Art isn't a fair industry and never will be. How many amazing artist…

Did you know the musicians get paid very little for there music on Spotify? Look I understand the support from music listeners, but Spotifiy as a service really harms musicians. Its really shortsighted to only look at part of the equation.

Doesn't count downstream revenue. Do you see live music? Buy physical music? I do. Many of those artists gain their audience via streaming.

Just in the last 6 months I found two local bands in my backyard (it's a big city) through Spotify related atists. I streamed some of their music but also bought vinyl and saw them live and I will continue to do so.

These are small label artists and this is how they actually make it big enough to do it full time. I don't understand why people overlook this.

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So communism it’s the answer cuz Marx?

its funny, it seems the point of this kind of response is to imply that my analysis is naive or overly simplistic but there are hundreds of thousands of pages of math and science and philosophy on the topic. im not just making this up, im simply explaining why its happening. these smug responses never seem to actually engage with anything except simplistic propaganda substituted in for the actual argument being made.

How can it be propaganda? It’s a short question based on your comment. The onus on you is to expand.

There is plenty of evidence against the principles and implementation of communism.

This post was about lofi you started about Marx and capitalism not me mate

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I love lofi I was actually creating a few lofi tracks and doing so taught me a new style, mixing and mastering and release process. If course no money no followers but it’s the creative process. Lofi girl is about the only thing I listen to in that genre on Spotify. For all it’s “Ai playlist promotion is bad” Spotify will only play things that someone somehow got through their editorals

I listened for 5 minutes and and was confused, as I was waiting for a track to build up to a climax, only for the track to transition to something else of a similar . It's the sort of ambient music played at a store.

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Do you have any proof that radio DJs are less prevalent now than in the past? I'm having trouble finding evidence of that.

Clearchannel (which became IheartRadio) owns most radio stations (>850) in the US. They fired hundreds of DJ's in ~2011. https://archive.nytimes.com/mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2... When I was a kid in the 1980's I used to call the DJ and request songs A LOT. When I was a teen I used to call in to win contests. Now when I listen to a 'I<3Radio' station in the garage, its clear all the DJ segments are pre-recorded…

In the early 80's living in Brooklyn, I would tune into WKTU at 6:00PM every night just to hear

"Hello. This is Rosko. WKTU, New York." And then he'd segue into "Always and Forever" by Heatwave.

It was so scripted that at one point I started listening closely to see if it was recorded, but there were enough intonation and pacing changes that it was obvious he was doing it live.

Haven't lived in NYC in over 30 years but I miss that station.

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AI is best stated as a tool to permit wealth to access skill without skill being permitted to access wealth. I've been called a Luddite so many times on this website asking basic questions of how in a world where your labor is required in order for you to earn a living these entire reams of people are meant to continue living, and nobody has an answer.

Thats because there is no answer. Marx and all of the people who developed his theories after him have exhaustively and scientifically proved this. That's really whats happening: its not that people dont have an answer is that they're not admitting to the exploitative nature of private capital accumulation. The main internal contradiction of capitalism leads to the system creating large amounts of wealth but also equ…

> The main internal contradiction of capitalism leads to the system creating large amounts of wealth but also equivalently large amounts of poverty.

No it hasn't, the global poverty rate has been falling for 20+ years. 69% of people globally lived on You can also look at China and Vietnam, countries that have had drastic improvements to standards of living and collapsing poverty rates after abandoned communism. Or you could look at the divide between East Germany and West Germany or North Korea and South Korea. Or the economic collapse in Venezuela. The communist experiment was tried and it failed miserably.

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I love lofi I was actually creating a few lofi tracks and doing so taught me a new style, mixing and mastering and release process. If course no money no followers but it’s the creative process. Lofi girl is about the only thing I listen to in that genre on Spotify. For all it’s “Ai playlist promotion is bad” Spotify will only play things that someone somehow got through their editorals

I listened for 5 minutes and and was confused, as I was waiting for a track to build up to a climax, only for the track to transition to something else of a similar . It's the sort of ambient music played at a store.

You are correct, the tracks do typically remain in a tempo for the whole track. I play it when working and in the background at home because I enjoy the ambience and sometimes I find some unique things in a track and get inspired. It can annoy family members. It’s not for everyone.

My other playlists I listen to are rock and related. Lofi has utility if such a comment I saw in this thread is a way to describe it

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AI seems like a scapegoat here when I think the real answer is simply that it was a tired genre that died out like many music fads over the years. (Everyone could learn how to make these with a 10 minute youtube tutorial which flooded the market, independent of AI.)

> Everyone could learn how to make these with a 10 minute youtube tutorial which flooded the market, independent of AI.

I remember back in the 90's a friend who had the same critique of EDM and Daft Punk.

After all, you have to do is learn how to write and play some catchy melodies on a keyboard, learn synthesizers, samplers and sound generation, percussion patterns, and use a DAW.

Is it much easier to self produce Lo-Fi now than it would've been in 1995? Sure, but that's true of music in general. But one isn't going to be able to produce a song similar to what GameChops puts out in 10 mins, even if you are an expert.

That AI is making it hard to have a decent signal-to-noise ratio in Spotify isn't doesn't mean the genre is dead.

Re: How Spotify Killed Lo-Fi Hip Hop

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I would highly recommend that folks read Liz Pelly's Mood Machine , which is referenced here via the Harper's excerpt, not just because it shows artists' perspectives on the long tail model that tech pitched to them, but because it can be read as an indictment of the platform model that increasingly dictates how we engage with art and society at large. Pelly's account really gets to the heart of the problem: these pl…

I will read that but... I'm so tired of this anti-Spotify crap. Artists and listeners are free not to use it, just as they are free not to use Tidal, SoundCloud, bandcamp, YouTube, etc. It's a platform and the market is free. If it's not working out for you find a different way to market yourself. It's not like top 40 or the Grammys are fair either. Art isn't a fair industry and never will be. How many amazing artist…

I’ve moved away from Spotify, and it’s actually quite hard to buy music. Bandcamp has a lot of indie music but not so much for the genres I like. There’s Apple Music but I don’t have Apple devices and Amazon music doesn’t work in my country.

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> For Japanese soundtrack producer Nujabes, the “lofi” sound wasn’t an aesthetic choice. It was an artifact of creating such forward thinking music with the dusty equipment from 20 years ago. I trying to figure out where the author got this from? Audio hardware/software hasn't changed that much in 20 years, and Nujabes' lofi aesthetic seems intentional. According to Wikipedia, it originated from an effect button on R…

This is due to sampling limitations in old machines. The hiphop producers would record samples from vinyl playing as fast as possible on the turn table and then pitch down in the sampler. This to get around memory restriction.

An sp-1200 can record less than a minute if i remember correctly.

The resulting sample rate reduction creates a crunchy vibe to the sound.

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