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Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by XorNot »

ithkuil wrote: post #165
usednet wrote: post #128

It's just a symbolic order, won't actually lead to anything important being released because the agencies have the authority to reject whatever they want. Many of the files have already been destroyed anyways. See: Sec. 3. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) t…

Honest question: why weren't they declassified earlier?

You're hoping for a salacious answer. But the real answer is going to be "because declassifying stuff is a time consuming pain in the ass, and no one could be bothered for the file which covered correct letterhead formatting for internal correspondence which technically got sucked into the system 50 years ago and now it's difficult to figure out that that was all it was".

JFK stuff was also declassified under Biden. No one cares because there's nothing in it.

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by DaSHacka »

manosyja wrote: post #156

Just my 2ct of trivia: The crown has still not reused the records regarding Jack the Ripper. Some assume this might be because someone from the royal family was involved.

I have to wonder if that theory is how the plot of a certain game about a late-19th century Japanese Attorney was born...

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by DaSHacka »

petee wrote: post #130
dgfitz wrote: post #2

Surely nobody sees this as a bad thing. It’s been a bit since these events happened.

I think its good, but humorously waiting for the conspiracists to shift the goal posts so we can spend the next 50 years talking about the "documents the fed shredded"

Is it really shifting the goal posts if we have evidence it really happens?

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by quakeguy »

rightbyte wrote: post #167
kelnos wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The release is not just a mechanistic "I am a man of my word" moment, its a distraction from the everyday events. Excellent point that I hadn't considered. We're already flooded with executive orders and news of Musk's capricious wrecking ball. Ultimately who killed JFK or MLK doesn't matter all that much today, except as a matter of historical accuracy. But it's something that people will certainly talk about, dis…

>Ultimately who killed JFK or MLK doesn't matter all that much today, except as a matter of historical accuracy. Come on those would be the most high profile murders in the US in the 20th century?

Franz Ferdinands death would be higher on that list i reckon.

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by a2800276 »

TowerTall wrote: post #136
markus_zhang wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also suspect some arrangements never left paper trails.

If there is any truth to the events pictured in the JFK movie with Kevin Costner that is certainly very true.

If it was a movie with Kevin Costner how can you question it's veracity!?

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by saagarjha »

quakeguy wrote: post #175
rightbyte wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ultimately who killed JFK or MLK doesn't matter all that much today, except as a matter of historical accuracy. Come on those would be the most high profile murders in the US in the 20th century?

Franz Ferdinands death would be higher on that list i reckon.

> in the US

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by practice9 »

3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #125
giantg2 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd redact a name, but not an entire file.

Depending on what remains, it may be possible to unblind the redacted names by considering the sum total of evidence. For example, these 10 people in the room all would have given testimony, but we only have nine statements with attached names. Who could this 10th unnamed persona be? Far easier to just keep the entire thing redacted.

With LLMs that even might be automated

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by ggm »

rightbyte wrote: post #167
kelnos wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The release is not just a mechanistic "I am a man of my word" moment, its a distraction from the everyday events. Excellent point that I hadn't considered. We're already flooded with executive orders and news of Musk's capricious wrecking ball. Ultimately who killed JFK or MLK doesn't matter all that much today, except as a matter of historical accuracy. But it's something that people will certainly talk about, dis…

>Ultimately who killed JFK or MLK doesn't matter all that much today, except as a matter of historical accuracy. Come on those would be the most high profile murders in the US in the 20th century?

Undeniable. And Bobby Kennedy. But, ask yourself why you care more than the deaths of McKinley, or Hoffa or Malcolm X

I maybe said it badly. I think MLKs unanswered questions have more current value, than JFKs because I think they tell us more about morally corrupting behaviour in US institutions. I don't tend to think any US agency paid a part in JFKs assassination, although they bungled the aftermath.

I've been to the book depositary. Sad place. Banal even.

Re: Order Declassifying JFK and MLK Assassination Records [pdf]

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Post by netdevphoenix »

XorNot wrote: post #171
ithkuil wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: why weren't they declassified earlier?

You're hoping for a salacious answer. But the real answer is going to be "because declassifying stuff is a time consuming pain in the ass, and no one could be bothered for the file which covered correct letterhead formatting for internal correspondence which technically got sucked into the system 50 years ago and now it's difficult to figure out that that was all it was". JFK stuff was also declassified under Biden.…

> JFK stuff was also declassified under Biden. No one cares because there's nothing in it.

A post about it is trending on HN so saying "no one cares" is a dismissal about the interest on this topic. Your very contribution to the post ironically contradicts the content of your message

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