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Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by daemonologist »

jofzar wrote: post #54

> This project will not only support the re-industrialization of the United States but also provide a strategic capability to protect the national security of America and its allies. > The initial equity funders in Stargate are SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, and MGX. SoftBank and OpenAI are the lead partners for Stargate, with SoftBank having financial responsibility and OpenAI having operational responsibility. Masayoshi…

MGX seems to be in Abu Dhabi/UAE rather than Saudi Arabia. Hadn't heard of it before.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by jfactorial »

skepticATX wrote: post #129

Why are corporations announcing business deals from the White House? There doesn’t seem to be any public ownership/benefit here, aside from potential job creation. Which could be significant. But the American public doesn’t seem to gain anything from this new company.

This is my question too, but I haven't seen a journalist ask it yet. My baseless theory: Trump has promised them some kind of antitrust protections in the form of legislation to be written & passed at a later date.

An announcement of a public AI infrastructure program joined by multiple companies could have been a monumental announcement. This one just looks like three big companies getting permission to make one big one.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by jiggawatts »

impulser_ wrote: post #99
heydenberk wrote: post #29

~$125B per year would be 2-3% of all domestic investment. It's similar in scale to the GDP of a small middle income country. If the electric grid — particularly the interconnection queue — is already the bottleneck to data center deployment, is something on this scale even close to possible? If it's a rationalized policy framework (big if!), I would guess there's some major permitting reform announcement coming soon.

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No, he didn't. Both links have zero mentions of solar or wind, and very specifically define their terms thus:

"a) The term “energy” or “energy resources” means crude oil, natural gas, lease condensates, natural gas liquids, refined petroleum products, uranium, coal, biofuels, geothermal heat, the kinetic movement of flowing water, and critical minerals, as defined by 30 U.S.C. 1606 (a)(3)."

This is Trump accepting bribes from the legacy and fossil fuel industries to keep those "nasty" new clean energy sources from competing with them.

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Post by constantcrying »

kandesbunzler wrote: post #153
constantcrying wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say this will include hundreds of thousands of jobs. I have little doubt that dedicated power generation and storage is included in their plans. Also I have no doubt that the timing is deliberate and that this is not happening without government endorsement. If I had to guess the US military also is involved in this and sees this initiative as important for national security.

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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by Philpax »

jppope wrote: post #158
non- wrote: post #16

Any clues to how they plan to invest $500 billion dollars? What infrastructure are they planning that will cost that much?

Reasonably speaking, there is no way they can know how they plan to invest $500 billion dollars. The current generation of large language models basically use all human text thats ever been created for the parameters... not really sure where you go after than using the same tech.

That's not really true - the current generation, as in "of the last three months", uses reinforcement learning to synthesize new training data for themselves: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1-Zero

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Post by EForEndeavour »

Willingham wrote: post #10
whalesalad wrote: post #4

I'm watching the announcement live from the white house and something about this just feels so strange and dystopian.

Agreed, and whats the story behind the art chosen for the landing page?

I'm also curious how a global leader in multimodal generative AI chose this particular image. Did they prompt a generator for a super messy impressionist painting of red construction cranes with visible brush strokes, distorted to the point of barely being able to discern what the image represents?

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by everfrustrated »

skepticATX wrote: post #129

Why are corporations announcing business deals from the White House? There doesn’t seem to be any public ownership/benefit here, aside from potential job creation. Which could be significant. But the American public doesn’t seem to gain anything from this new company.

It's foreign investment money into the US. Softbank and MGX are foreign and presumably stumping up much of the cash.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by username135 »

skepticATX wrote: post #129

Why are corporations announcing business deals from the White House? There doesn’t seem to be any public ownership/benefit here, aside from potential job creation. Which could be significant. But the American public doesn’t seem to gain anything from this new company.

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