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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by xg15 »

threeseed wrote: post #160
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

> ostensibly pressures Netanyahu into accepting the ceasefire There is no evidence of this. Every single time Trump has blustered about doing something e.g. turning Canada into a 51st, buying Greenland the parties have been concerned but not particularly worried. Because he doesn't follow through. So the idea that we should credit Trump for his words and ignore the months of diplomacy and pressure from not just the U…

I got it from here: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-13/ty-article/.p...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by School-Cotton »

red019 wrote: post #157
nick_ wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically, West Bank will be gone (totally settled, all Palestinians removed) in 15 years. Gaza will further be ghettoized and, pessimistically, will be basically gone in 50 years or so.

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That is not likely to happen. Arabs with Israeli citizenship (who may or may not identify as “Palestinian”) are only like 20% of the population. Palestinians without Israeli citizenship are not allowed to live in Israel except in some edge cases like people in East Jerusalem which was annexed.

Israel is never going to annex the West Bank and Gaza Strip and give the people there full citizenship rights, instead they will continue carving up the WB with Jewish-only settlements that are in practice part of Israel but not officially annexed and which Palestinians are not allowed to live in.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by culi »

timcobb wrote: post #154
vFunct wrote: post #112

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> And also that TRUMP turned out to be the lesser of the evils. This is a pretty shortsighted perspective. At least wait 4 more years :).

Yeah Biden's middle east policy is exactly a continuation of what Trump set to be the standard. It was trump that started things like moving the embassy and bombing Iran. Trump basically did all the things the Democrats WISH they could've done but didn't think they could pull off. Instead they get to blame it on "crazy old Trump" and then completely run with the exact same foreign policy

There is no lesser of two evils. We don't get to vote on the war machine

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by culi »

typon wrote: post #162
threeseed wrote: post #156

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> Trump turned out to be the lesser of the evils This is based purely on his word which isn't worth all that much. Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.

Historical revisionism is supposed to happen when enough time has passed. This ceasefire is directly due to Trump's pressure on Netanyahu. Trump's envoy went to Doha and made this happen: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/11/trumps-israel-gaza-deal-jan... This is the actual reality

Trump's envoy (Steve Witkoff) himself stated that "[Brett H. McGurk] is in the lead". McGurk is Biden's longtime negotiator

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by [deleted] »

typon wrote: post #162
threeseed wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trump turned out to be the lesser of the evils This is based purely on his word which isn't worth all that much. Meanwhile Biden's actions has resulted in a ceasefire.

Historical revisionism is supposed to happen when enough time has passed. This ceasefire is directly due to Trump's pressure on Netanyahu. Trump's envoy went to Doha and made this happen: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/11/trumps-israel-gaza-deal-jan... This is the actual reality

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by YZF »

vFunct wrote: post #112
xg15 wrote: post #21

Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

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Tons of stories I've seen on CNN or BBC or CBC about this war had Muslim (edit: or Arab) authors and were very anti-Israel in bias. Traditional media is incredibly biased against Israel which is not surprising given its general left leaning. But I'm sure you've found some bubble that more out there.

Random examples of CNN Arab reporters on the topic:

https://www.cnn.com/profiles/irene-nasser

https://www.cnn.com/profiles/jomana-karadsheh

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/13/europe/us-israel-aid-gaza-ins...

There is no way more American Jewish teens support Hamas than Israel. Your "unbiased" media seized on to one question of this survey: https://mosaicunited.org/mosaic-teen-israel-survey-antisemit...

Where even this "sympathy" question definitely does not agree with what you're saying.

There are also no polls showing people saying Israel are the bad guys. e.g. in the US: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/10/01/slight-up...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by transformi »

culi wrote: post #149
throwaway7783 wrote: post #20

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100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

IDF 100% should cease to exist as well. It's long overdue. I don't know how an organization can officially be labelled as genocidal and be allowed to continue functioning as they do

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by dmix »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #39

So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

Of any of Israel's wars in recent history none has decimated their regional enemies as much as this. Every way you cut it they are in a much more secure position militarily. Iran (aka Lebanon/Syria) losing so badly is more important than Hamas surviving because that was the cludgle that threatened them from punishing Gaza too harshly (for ex: America pushed Israel very hard not to provoke Lebanon after Oct 7 and we saw how that turned out).

Any future Hamas actions will inherently be less secure as their external help is now crippled.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by rcpt »

threeseed wrote: post #166
propagandist wrote: post #113

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Trump wanted the war to end, and I'm sure Netanyahu was doing his Netanyahu thing. Posting that video was Trump's way of telling Netanyahu that he will burn him by turning him into public enemy #1 with his base. That's how he got him to agree.

This makes no sense. Netanyahu destroyed his reputation within the Democratic base and it did not concern him in the slightest. Because Israel stopped truly needing the approval of the US a long time ago. And so the idea that he is suddenly worried about what the Trump base thinks has no basis in fact. Especially when the Trump base is not 1-1 with the Republican base i.e. the majority of the Congress still supports…

Israeli massively support Trump over Harris

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-shows-israelis-massively-...

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by x3ro »

transformi wrote: post #169
x3ro wrote: post #145

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Look, you may fool peoe with your “all Palestinians are terrorists” rhetoric in zionist circles, but I would hope that most other people would be able to see through the propaganda. Israel has imprisoned people in “administrative detention” with no legal recourse for decades, for all kinds of bullshit reasons. If my home was being taken by settlers, which happens in the West Bank on the daily, I would do more than ju…

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“Throwing stones kills” said the heavily armed settler laughing, leveling a rifle at my chest. Arabs never lived here. You are just a figment of history’s imagination, and must be expunged. The IDF soldiers standing around laughed as he pulled the trigger.
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