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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by tombert »

jjulius wrote: post #161
tombert wrote: post #155

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I have friends who really like EDM, and as far as I am aware 95+% of the time that they're listening to it they're stark-raving sober, so I don't think that being stoned is a prerequisite for liking it. That said, I think that a possible explanation for the decline in club popularity is that a lot of people don't actually like it unless they're on drugs. Not just the music, but the whole club scene. It might be an ac…

Oh, it's definitely not for everyone. I love most of the broad spectrum of electronic music (sans the more mainstream "EDM" crap, but I digress...), so my wife gets exposed to all kinds of weird, repetitive shit. And she can't stand most of it, it makes her very anxious and over-stimulated. There's one particular kind of electronic music, called Deep House, which is heavily rooted in Funk, Soul, Disco and Jazz, that…

I've kind of inadvertently gone down a rabbit hole for different types of electronic music already, because at a previous job the guy who was in charge of playing music was really big into it, and he played a pretty broad spectrum of stuff.

I liked some stuff more than others, but never really clicked with any of it.

Just to be clear, not claiming that the stuff I listen to is "objectively" better or anything. 90+% of what I listen to is garage-punk stuff like NOFX or Misfits, which is its own kind of trash. It's just jived better for me (doesn't hurt that I was exposed to it much younger).

I don't regret moving to NYC, when I did it was probably an economically-ok decision; a lot more high-paying tech jobs here than in Dallas (where I lived before), and there are parts I still like about it, but there were definitely other parts that I was lying to myself about for a long time.

Though I will admit, I think a good chunk of that is that I've just been here too long. I probably should move... I just need to convince my employer to let me go full-remote.

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

monitorlizard wrote: post #117
gazunklenut wrote: post #44

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What? That's kind of creepy. Raves are and always have been about dancing. The creeps walking around looking for hookups are just that, a bunch of weird creeps that annoy people trying to dance. Edit: To clarify, it's creepy becaucse a lot of people are on something and pretty vulnerable, they're there to dance and enjoy the music and now some creep is trying to get in their pants while they're rolling and drunk

It's creepy if you have bad vibes. If you can read the room and take rejection with a smile I think it's chill

This is exactly right. It's only creepy if you're creepy.

There is always someone looking to vibe with a positive-energy person they met that night. Sometimes it leads to more and sometimes you just dance all night, give a big hug, and never see each other again.

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Post by leetcrew »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #150
carlmr wrote: post #137

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Strong negative correlation? Can't attend both events, and most people only have the weekend to attend max one event.

Maybe on a particular night, but on any longer timescale: how does one make friends who will tell you about the cool underground scene without first meeting them in the aboveground club scene? Maybe online stuff plays this purpose now but I assume its still mostly the former.

lots of places. the people at the warehouse rave usually did something else earlier in the night. maybe you met them at a bar or show and asked what they were doing later. “what are you doing this weekend” is a normal thing to ask anyone you meet in a third place. it’s not that big of a secret.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by carlosjobim »

immibis wrote: post #67
yieldcrv wrote: post #52

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Okay this is an interesting topic but I think you are conflating several things. The decline in sexual experience is occurring in California metros too. Its really interesting how the behaviors have shifted and surprising to me. But people are bonding, social, far less exclusionary, inclusive to things they’ve never heard of - unless you’re the wrong star sign, ironically, or political party. I date 20-somethings, it…

> unless you’re the wrong star sign, ironically, or political party. These things are very different and do not belong in the same list, and I've noticed that when people do put them together, they're often trying to make the point that political party is just another arbitrary inherent attribute like race, rather than a serious reflection of someone's character. Can you explain why you think they belong together?

Young people don't have any political power at all, so "political party" doesn't say very much about them as a person.

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Post by mtalantikite »

berlinbrowndev wrote: post #94

I love electronic music. Been listening to it for 30 years. Mostly drumbass, dubstep, some house. Groups like subfocus. I used to listen to tiesto, bt, etc. One, I hated the term "raving". I was thought raves were finding an abandoned house, playing music and drugs. I just like the music and don't need the dance clubs or the drugs. But with the said, I think the "club" scene has dropped off. Expensive drinks. Expensi…

This exactly. I've been to "raves", they were just giant parties with $3 beers in an abandoned or semi-legal building somewhere in Brooklyn. I was surprised when I started hearing people call giant corporate venues with dancing "raves".

I went out to one of those giant clubs in Brooklyn not too long ago to see a friend DJ (Brooklyn Mirage). I was on guestlist, but the cover would have been $50. I bought a round of drinks to say thanks, and for three drinks I paid $75. Plus they made me load a credit card on some stupid wristband to even get the drinks. What 20-something can afford to do that with any regularity? Their rent is already 2-3x what I paid when I moved to Brooklyn nearly 20 years ago.

I don't buy the "young kids don't want to go out late anymore". They just never encountered scenes that were consistently relaxed, fun, and cheap.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by latchkey »

b800h wrote: post #32
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #24

In my time night clubs were about hooking up, guess no need for that in the age of tinder?

Not if you're going to a rave-style event. That would be creepy and unwanted. At least back in my day (mid-90s).

Anyone who reads this and knows, will understand... Sandwiches.

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Post by wpm »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #170
jamestimmins wrote: post #157

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It's shocking how often the answer to "How come X changed?" is either the creation of the internet or the cost of real estate. Surprisingly often, it's both.

It's interesting how the creation of the internet still hasn't caused real estate prices to plummet. Even two years of covid couldn't do it.

Supply is artificially limited.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by edm0nd »

deadbabe wrote: post #158
tombert wrote: post #141

I haven't been to a club in a long time, but I am quite confident that if there's a hell for me, it's being forced to be in a club+rave for eternity. I've never done any kind of "party drug" [1], and I think that party drugs have to be a requirement for me to enjoy something like that (at least for someone as awkward as me). Repetitive music that's so loud it hurts, not being able to talk to people, close contact to…

Used to do at least a line of coke before raves but with the way fent is laced into everything these days, no more

Get some test kits or test strips.

You can get them for free and/or low cost, https://endoverdose.net

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