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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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It's not a bad thing if someone is at odds with both extremes because they are in the center. It is a bad thing if they are at odds with both extremes because they are one extreme on some issues and the other extreme on the rest of the issues. It's like how a house that is averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 68℉ (20℃) all day is a lot more pleasant than house that averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 50℉ (10℃) for half the day and 86…

What issues do you find he is extreme on?

Regular posting of antisemitic memes on Twitter is pretty extreme

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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1. The result of the 2020 election is a big one 2. Supporting Germany's AfD, which e.g. backs "complete closure" of EU borders 3. Recently started advocating for a far-right loser in the UK (Tommy Robinson) who has multiple convictions including assault, assault, assault, mortgage fraud, contempt of court, and use of a false passport to enter the US 4. Continuing to insist that the Twitter Files showed that Dems stif…

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You are disengaged from consensus reality if you don’t understand why thinking the 2020 election was in any way fraudulent is an extreme view.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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> Let's keep aside debate whether Elon is right or wrong for a moment. It is the rightness or wrongness of what someone does that determines one's stance on that person. It makes no sense to try to analyze a change in stance without looking at the underlying rightness or wrongness.

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Most business leaders are smart enough not to talk politics because they understand how politics works (divides people) and is contrary to their business.

> they understand how politics works (divides people) More than that: it's human nature to identify lines of disagreement when observing within your in group. You and I might agree on 99 things, but we will suss out–with preternatural efficiency–the one we disagree on. (Again, if we identify as being in the same group. Travel to a foreign country and you'll notice similarities.) Taking public positions on anything te…

This is the best take I have seen yet in this whole post.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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But none in the US and only very few in the EU.

Patience. I saw my first BYD in the UK yesterday. Definitely on their way. Don't get me wrong, I'm no real fan of them, but they are coming. Significant models have only just been released. In 5 years they'll be a big player here. Too early at the moment.

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather s…

> it's the best car I've ever had That's going to be true for many car sales. People don't usually downgrade on cars, and there is real progress on car features over a typical period between buying cars. It'll be especially true if a brand like Tesla where most if their sales are coming from people who previously owned significantly cheaper cars.

It's also just standard human psychology after you've spent $40k, advertisers have relied on this for decades.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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No, from apparently RT owned AP news:

https://apnews.com/article/europe-butter-prices-40fe30965677...

"Across the 27-member European Union, the price of butter rose 19% on average from October 2023 to October 2024, including by 49% in Slovakia, and 40% in Germany and the Czech Republic, according to figures provided to The Associated Press by the EU’s executive arm. Reports from individual countries indicate the cost has continued to go up in the months since."

Comment from a Polish official:

"She and others also cite higher energy costs from Russia’s war in Ukraine as impacting milk production."

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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In contrast, BYD sold over 500,000 vehicles in December alone. https://electrek.co/2025/01/02/byds-ev-sales-surged-2024-eno...

But none in the US and only very few in the EU.

Many in Europe. I see them every day now. Chinese brands are taking over the entire industry. They are cheaper and better. Well played by the chinese.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Perhaps if they had delivered a cheaper Tesla instead of a robotaxi that nobody asked for, won’t meet the needs of 90% of people wanting a taxi, and isn’t anywhere near ready to operate on public roads, the market would have expanded.

How about instead we offer you a $100k "truck" that can't do basic truck things, misses every single claimed feature, and has such poor basic engineering competency that it had at least one whistleblower? Oh and it's stupid ugly as well.

My prediction is that Elon will be forced out of Tesla one way or another and then the company will quietly release a truck that will look vaguely like a Model S, but truck shaped and sized. It will be popular.
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