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Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

notatoad wrote: post #158
reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

Building a browser is hard. Building a proof of concept of the current tech fad is easy and fun. Sometimes developers need to do easy and fun things to keep themselves motivated and happy. You could build an AI Assistant, or you could spend a month bikeshedding some design details of vertical tabs.

>Sometimes developers need to do easy and fun things to keep themselves motivated and happy.

I tried this line on my boss. Didn't fly. Back to bikeshedding with the rest of the team. I wonder if the difference is we have to earn our money, and our customers expect an roi. Or, at least something that doesn't mess up what already exists.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by nophunphil »

silisili wrote: post #168

Mozilla will spend any amount it takes to do anything but build a better browser.

In my opinion, the browser has been much better since 2017/2018. Have you used it in the last few years? Complaints about Firefox aside, the Manifest V3/uBlock Origin issue should be a major concern for tech-savvy Chromium-based browser users.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by silisili »

nophunphil wrote: post #172
silisili wrote: post #168

Mozilla will spend any amount it takes to do anything but build a better browser.

In my opinion, the browser has been much better since 2017/2018. Have you used it in the last few years? Complaints about Firefox aside, the Manifest V3/uBlock Origin issue should be a major concern for tech-savvy Chromium-based browser users.

I was a hardcore Firefox user for many years. Today, Chrome just blows it away. Platforms are Android and Gnome Desktop.

I tried Firefox again about once a year, up until about 2022, and left disappointed again each time. Rust was important. Servo too. I'm not just hopping on the 'Mozilla blows money' train for no reason, I'm sad to see the browser languish while they blow money on things that don't matter. This doesn't matter.

I use Brave now, which has a whole host of haters, some for good reason. But it blocks ads and runs circles around Firefox on every platform that I use.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by a57721 »

hu3 wrote: post #161
simonw wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a version of that which should work for any page, whether or not they allow ChatGPT URL access: javascript:window.open('https://chatgpt.com/?q=summarize this page in 100 words: '+encodeURIComponent(document.body.innerText),'_blank'); I swapped window.location.href for document.body.innerText

Nice! Thank you! I just wonder if browsers will limit the amount of characters in URLs. If memory serves me, there was a limit. But it might be high enough to work fro most pages.

Modern browsers are not an issue here, e.g. chromium allows 2MB; the issue is with web server's limits.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by bayindirh »

silisili wrote: post #173
nophunphil wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, the browser has been much better since 2017/2018. Have you used it in the last few years? Complaints about Firefox aside, the Manifest V3/uBlock Origin issue should be a major concern for tech-savvy Chromium-based browser users.

I was a hardcore Firefox user for many years. Today, Chrome just blows it away. Platforms are Android and Gnome Desktop. I tried Firefox again about once a year, up until about 2022, and left disappointed again each time. Rust was important. Servo too. I'm not just hopping on the 'Mozilla blows money' train for no reason, I'm sad to see the browser languish while they blow money on things that don't matter. This does…

You didn't use Firefox in the last three years, and you claim that Chrome/Brave (still) blows it away.

Interesting.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

RadiozRadioz wrote: post #31

I installed it and it's a giant floating popup that's permanently on your screen. You can enable the "minimal" theme in the settings to turn it into a smaller-but-still-big pill shape. It doesn't look like there's a way to hide it in a context menu, at least not one I can see. I don't fancy having a random floaty object in the way of my webpages, no thank you. Edit: It appears to go away occasionally. This UX is uncl…

Yeah, I can't imagine what lunatic thought it would be a good idea to have this stupid orb floating inside the page. Heck, it would be fine if you at least had an option to move it into the toolbar where it belongs...

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by silisili »

bayindirh wrote: post #176
silisili wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a hardcore Firefox user for many years. Today, Chrome just blows it away. Platforms are Android and Gnome Desktop. I tried Firefox again about once a year, up until about 2022, and left disappointed again each time. Rust was important. Servo too. I'm not just hopping on the 'Mozilla blows money' train for no reason, I'm sad to see the browser languish while they blow money on things that don't matter. This does…

You didn't use Firefox in the last three years, and you claim that Chrome/Brave (still) blows it away. Interesting.

Fair. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 12 times or so shame on me. /s, kinda.

The OP claimed it got better in 2017, and it didn't meet my standards. But I'm honest that I haven't tried it in 2 years.

If some news or person came out to suggest something big changed and I should try it again, I will. Otherwise I'm just wasting time for no reason.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by thih9 »

simonw wrote: post #157
hu3 wrote: post #53

Related. This is the bookmark I use to summarize websites using ChatGPT: javascript:window.open('https://chatgpt.com/?q=summarize this page in 100 words: '+encodeURIComponent(window.location.href),'_blank'); Basically it opens a new tab on chatgpt.com with the prompt: "summarize this page in 100 words: URL" Tested on Firefox and Chrome. Some websites block ChatGPT and can't be summarized this way. Works in incognito/…

Here's a version of that which should work for any page, whether or not they allow ChatGPT URL access: javascript:window.open('https://chatgpt.com/?q=summarize this page in 100 words: '+encodeURIComponent(document.body.innerText),'_blank'); I swapped window.location.href for document.body.innerText

I’m sure Openai likes this use case, a neat way to access data where they are otherwise blocked.

Personally I’d worry about using this accidentally and with some sensitive data (eg logins).

I do like the idea though, I’d use this with a local model.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by bayindirh »

silisili wrote: post #178
bayindirh wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't use Firefox in the last three years, and you claim that Chrome/Brave (still) blows it away. Interesting.

Fair. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 12 times or so shame on me. /s, kinda. The OP claimed it got better in 2017, and it didn't meet my standards. But I'm honest that I haven't tried it in 2 years. If some news or person came out to suggest something big changed and I should try it again, I will. Otherwise I'm just wasting time for no reason.

As a person who never used Chrome in a capacity to replace Firefox (I just refused to give up), I'll just share this [0].

As I understand, no amount of words can convince you because I neither know what your standards are, nor I have the right words to convince you to try Firefox again. So, you have to give it a try and see it for yourself.

As a matter of principle, I'd never use a browser which is funded by an advertisement company which lives off my data to show me ads and rob me of my privacy and cognitive capacity.

In my book, Brave is even worse on that matter.

Edit: To clarify: I still have Chrome installed for the odd, unmaintained site which happens to require something Chrome specific, but I just don't open it, since Firefox works for everything and works very well.

[0]: https://arewefastyet.com/win11/benchmarks/overview?numDays=6...

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