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VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by jazzyjackson »

mulmen wrote: post #150
cherryteastain wrote: post #97

We need a way to disable vehicle telemetry. No, a software switch is not enough. We need to be able to physically unplug the cellular modem entirely and have the vehicle work with 100% functionality (barring features which inherently require cellular connectivity like turning the heating on remotely) Car manufacturers' features are mostly useless anyway thanks to Android Auto/Apple CarPlay

Why would turning on the heating require cell service? If you’re out of key fob range do you really need to pre-heat the car? The only possible use of cell service is for infotainment and even that’s questionable in a world of ubiquitous cell phones.

I like the 'call emergency services on airbag deployment' too, on the fence about removing it, I guess if I had an apple watch that could do the same thing but then I'm just moving the surveillance from one ecosystem to another

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by mulmen »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #18
RajT88 wrote: post #12

Hey EU, maybe mandate an opt out for all vehicle telemetry? Then maybe the rest of the world will follow suit. I know, I know, I am kidding myself.

The reason for all that telemetry is the legislation. How do you think they are going to implement the full “intelligent” speed assistant in 2027?

An onboard database and a GPS receiver?

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by jazzyjackson »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #139
jmward01 wrote: post #125

The answer is simple: No matter the reason, if you have a data breach you must pay each person 100$ min with higher amounts depending on the information lost. Additionally, if that information is used in a crime then you are liable for further damages. Car companies, and other data vacuums, will just stop collecting it if they are liable for what happens to it. I will not buy a car that does this. I am starting to tu…

The $100 thing is kind of a standard that a European court just established in a Facebook data leak case! In the case of full location data, it would need to be a lot more though. Yes, that might bankrupt the company. They should have thought about that before they illegally stalked nearly a million people then put their highly sensitive data on the Internet. If I did this to one person, I'd probably (and rightfully)…

Ugh, I would love to see more companies bankrupted. How much more dynamic the economy might be if all of Volkswagens assets were put up for bid at government auction.

Adbusters magazine (credited with spurring occupy wallstreet with a solid meme campaign) tried to get inertia going around revoking corporate charters, stop acting like we don't have power, corporations are borne into existence by acts of government, we are not powerless to punish them for crimes against humanity (to be dramatic about it, I don't know what language would be appropriate for collecting location information for a million individuals without disclosure), but didn't see much traction about it.

https://www.adbusters.org/full-articles/rise-of-the-corporat...

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by mulmen »

CatWChainsaw wrote: post #25
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I refuse to believe that it’s not possible to drive the car without the app.

And I'm skeptical that it is. Happy Friday.

I rode in a 1948 Oldsmobile three days ago. No app needed. At this point the ignition switch is so worn the key is actually optional.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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RandomBK wrote: post #154
3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just bad opsec. I would have thought rule number one of soliciting was to be cash only. Ignoring of course that the amount of aggregated surveillance makes it impossible to escape monitoring. Credit cards, license plate scanners, phone GPS, airtags, doorbell cameras, "Eye in the Sky" spy planes, etc

"What kind of hooker takes credit cards?" "A rich one!"

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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by jazzyjackson »

ImJamal wrote: post #56
forgetfreeman wrote: post #41

Why the sideways fuck did they even have location data to begin with? It's like the checklist for buying a new car starts with figuring out what circuit drives the cell modem and pop that fuse out before taking a test drive to confirm it doesn't brick anything critical. Fucking ridiculous.

Most new cars have features that require it such as onboard GPS, speed limits on the dash, OnStar and similar features.

speed limits come from a database written alongside map data

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by jazzyjackson »

mulmen wrote: post #164
ImJamal wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most new cars have features that require it such as onboard GPS, speed limits on the dash, OnStar and similar features.

None of that requires cellular connectivity. It can and was accomplished using only wifi sync at home. Live traffic information is (was?) broadcast on AM radio.

was it ever AM? info I can find points to traffic info being encoded in FM broadcast, as "audio" but above audible frequencies, 57khz, same as any metadata you get with modern digital radio - station name, song name, artist name etc.

https://www.mediarealm.com.au/articles/fm-rds-radio-data-sys...

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Post by bdangubic »

mulmen wrote: post #163
bdangubic wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you are ever in the middle of highway (especially if you are traveling with loved ones) when your EV suddenly reboots you will understand why one does not expect shit to work… the anxiety is unlike most thing one can experience… I think 100% reverse of your comment but talking from a different real experiences. EVs are computers on wheels, expecting them to work during reboot is not unlike expecting vim to work du…

I would expect the drivetrain components (including computers) to be essentially bulletproof and only the unnecessary components like infotainment and maybe the dashboard displays to even have the option of crashing.

you are 100% right in theory. in practice the car is the computer. when my 2014 tesla s rebooted while I was going like 85mph on the highway it is a moment I’ll never forget. the car is running but everything is dead, quiet, have no idea what the speed is, all systems are shut down, a/c is out (I was in the middle of a desert in Utah)… EVERYTHING feels wrong and every instinct you have tells you to pull over immediately. no chance I would drive any distance other than maybe a quick 1-mile radius errand in that state of the car
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