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Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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You are kind of missing the point. You can live in a small town that might be 1-2 hours separated by the next town and still not be "rural". You're still living an urban life, not a rural life. It's not like you need your town to be >1M people for it to be "urban". There's small town urban, there's a big city urban, and there's rural. Do you actually live in a place statistically considered urban or rural? If you hav…

You're being needlessly pedantic. The top-level comment is saying that they could only live in a big city for {reasons}—it's very very clear that a small town of 5000 doesn't count for them. In that context, the commenter that started this subthread is clearly using "rural" to describe everything that isn't in a big city—places where there are hour-sized gaps between small towns count as rural when it's used to disti…

> In that context, the commenter that started this subthread is clearly using "rural" to describe everything that isn't in a big city

That's not the term for rural though. That's small towns and villages, not "rural". These are real words with real meanings. If I started saying the furry 30lb animal in my house that goes "bark" is an elephant it's not the right term to use and I'd welcome you calling out my improper usage.

Most Americans have never really experienced "rural" living.

But I guess you'd prefer for people to just continue to ignorantly use improper terms. Better get off the computer tonight and fly my elephant around the galaxy. Or walk my dog around the block. Words have no meanings anymore, it's all pedantic.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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People you meet later in life - even much later, even when you have a wife and kids - can absolutely come to know “the real you.” (I might describe “closeness of relationships over time” as “asymptotic, with an upper limit” or at least “with diminishing returns,” if we want to get really math-y about something that is not really measurable.) But you have to be open to that, and it also requires a lot of social skills…

Can you elaborate on the social skills that aren't otherwise demanded? I can relate to this a bit, but I feel like I'm only starting to scratch the surface

Not being competitive and one upping everyone, being ok with peoples flaws, being honest, being vulnerable, being dependable, not being selfish or self centered, being self reflective… some of these sound obvious but I’m in my 50s have uprooted many times and have always managed to make close friends. I do lament the trail of friends I’ve left around the world, but we are all very similar and scattered as well.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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There is a movement called Cohousing that I don’t think gets enough attention. I prefer to call it Tiny Neighborhoods, which is basically what the article describes. If interested, I did a 3,000 word deep dive into the specifics of how tiny neighborhoods have worked over the past 50 years… https://iambateman.com/tiny

Great read! Cohousing sounds like exactly what i've wanted in a neighborhood. I wish it were the norm.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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You're being needlessly pedantic. The top-level comment is saying that they could only live in a big city for {reasons}—it's very very clear that a small town of 5000 doesn't count for them. In that context, the commenter that started this subthread is clearly using "rural" to describe everything that isn't in a big city—places where there are hour-sized gaps between small towns count as rural when it's used to disti…

> In that context, the commenter that started this subthread is clearly using "rural" to describe everything that isn't in a big city That's not the term for rural though. That's small towns and villages, not "rural". These are real words with real meanings. If I started saying the furry 30lb animal in my house that goes "bark" is an elephant it's not the right term to use and I'd welcome you calling out my improper…

Which definition of "rural" are you referring to?

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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> In that context, the commenter that started this subthread is clearly using "rural" to describe everything that isn't in a big city That's not the term for rural though. That's small towns and villages, not "rural". These are real words with real meanings. If I started saying the furry 30lb animal in my house that goes "bark" is an elephant it's not the right term to use and I'd welcome you calling out my improper…

Which definition of "rural" are you referring to?

NCHS codes, RUCC codes, census designated places, ZIP code designations, take your pick. All of those are generally OK by me. Something other than just "small towns and villages exist", as both easily get classified as urban or suburban.

I've got loads of data backing up my assertion tons people think they live in a rural area don't live in a statistically classified rural area. People overly misuse the term rural and don't really understand a truly rural area.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Hmm, tangentially related, but how would you say SF changed? Where would you get this feeling of SF back then nowadays? Thought about giving SF a visit in summer as an aspiring software engineer & entrepreneur but curious to what you think about it.

Hard to say, and it's highly subjective. It just feels like Silicon Valley is no longer about building cool things and making the world better through technology. It's become about exploitation and extraction, instead of building. It's about capturing and controlling users rather than serving them. It's about "crushing it in the market, bro." It's grindset, hustle culture, performative work. It's about phony tech cho…

>It's become about exploitation and extraction, instead of building.

What if I told you it always has been about that.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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Coming from a Latin American the idea of re-starting your life across the country for college and then again for work (multiple times sometimes) while away from family and friends is very foreign. A lot of the conversation around modern American youth feeling isolated, lacking socialization and not building strong relationships seems that stem from this drive. Another thing that’s really weird and related is another…

80% of Americans live near where they were born. This isn’t the root cause of estrangement.

curios any more insight on that stat? it contradicts the thesis of the op

edit found this https://themortgagepoint.com/2024/08/20/most-americans-stay-...

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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post #143

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> Alain Bertaud, the urbanist, recently said, “the big contribution of cities is randomness.” And he continues: “You don't know what to expect. You don't know who you will meet. And, it's precisely because you meet people who are different from you, who have different ideas. Sometime even it could be obnoxious people. I think obnoxious people — I mean, what I consider obnoxious — are necessary in order to stimulate.”…

This fits with my experience living in SF: people might look different, but if you were to be blindfolded and talk to a group of them, you would struggle mightily to pick out any substantial differences between individuals.

Sounds like you're thinking inside of a fairly small bubble. If you picked 10 people, at random, from the 800k residents, I assure you that there would be substantial differences.

Off the top of my head, you might get SF State students, tech bros, Chinatown senior citizens who have never left an 8-block radius and don't speak english, Marina moms, Mission District multi-gen families. I mean, come on.

Maybe if you were only picking from people working at tech cos, but even then my experience does not match yours.

Re: Should more of us be moving to live near friends?

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I would love to, but I come from a place where intellectual pursuits are not valued, so I would lose out on that front if I moved back. I’m the type who needs to always be learning. So I would always need to be in a big city. Alain Bertaud, the urbanist, recently said, “the big contribution of cities is randomness.” And he continues: “You don't know what to expect. You don't know who you will meet. And, it's precisel…

> Alain Bertaud, the urbanist, recently said, “the big contribution of cities is randomness.” And he continues: “You don't know what to expect. You don't know who you will meet. And, it's precisely because you meet people who are different from you, who have different ideas. Sometime even it could be obnoxious people. I think obnoxious people — I mean, what I consider obnoxious — are necessary in order to stimulate.”…

Same when I lived in Paris for me, I feel more of that randomness in encounters the parent commenter talks about in my small rural (albeit touristic) town.
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