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38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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Maybe it is a valid position to ask where the money for "get rich" comes from and if society would be different if it wasn't all about that money trickling upwards? Have you been to schools or nursing homes lately, having to let dear relatives go there?

Have been to any actual socialist country? Have experienced what scarcity means and what it feels like to be locked into your own country without a real chance of leaving until you reach retirement age?

Almost nobody except fringe groups means "Marxism-Leninism" when they say "socialism". I'm sure you understand this.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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post #150

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ultra-right parties may have "socialist" in their name, but they are typically not in a sense connected to Marx&Hegel. Example: the "National-Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" (Hitler's NSDAP) was not marxist.

Yes, and I never said so. But the post I replied to implied that socialist=social democratic. And neither the marxist/communists in the far-left parties (and sometimes the whole party) nor the fascists in the far-right parties are social democratic. (Of course there is no such thing as a "social democracy", in the sense that the government structure is modified from a "non-social" democracy. But there can be democrat…

> But the post I replied to implied that socialist=social democratic

That's actually largely the case in Western/Middle Europe.

> marxist/communists in the far-left parties (and sometimes the whole party)

Which are often not seen as socialist. Social/socialist typically signals that the party is inside the system supporting political spectrum. "communist/marxist" usually signals that the party is at least partly outside the system supporting political spectrum.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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post #83

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> Socialism is about putting people first and making sure no one is left behind by society No, that's not what socialism is but I won't develop here because the definition is so available and well-known.

You may want to look into the ideologies of European political parties that have "socialist" in their names, instead of relying on definitions from the Soviet revolution. Socialism in Europe is social democracy. The only difference between "socialist" and "social democratic" parties in Europe is how fractionally close to the right or left side of the center line they are.

> Socialism in Europe is social democracy.

It’s a mix that includes social democracy and democratic socialism, as well as things to the right of the former (Britain’s Labour is still nominally socialist) and left of the latter.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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you can translate many english „complicated“ words one to one in german because german has a anglo saxon in it. for example accuracy is akkurat precission is prezision hypocrite is hypokrit etc german has a crazy big vocabulary but most words arent used and in generell the language is simplified in everyday use. for example everyone has angst but noone has bange anymore. btw good word for anxious in german. i once al…

We have akkurat, which is only an adjective, there is not really a Noun version. But in any case, we would not give it the same meaning shift as you have in English, at least how it's used in physics. Learning German is hard in the beginning, because of the more challenging grammar and "Donaudampfschifffahrtskapitaensmuetzenfabrikantengattin" but then becomes easier, as there a lot less word plays and figures of spee…

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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post #42

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How was it not fair? While I would prefer limiting the attendence by price and not by come first, get first, I understand their reasoning But getting a ticket this year was very easy, I got three on two separate occasions.

By price? So only the rich kids can go? Sounds really the opposite attitude than what I hear from CCC folks

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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post #56

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Communication is not good if everybody speaks the same language at a different level. I have worked in English for close to 30 years and been at many international conferences, presented myself a couple of times. Still I feel handicapped in some presentations/discussions that are dominated by native speakers not using offshore English.

Hmm, not sure, I'm non-native English speaker as well. I have a lot more problems understanding/being understood by non-native English speakers from a different language background than I or they have with a native (American) English speaker. Or do you mean America with offshore?

Offshore English is a concept to make the language more understandable to non-native speakers. Avoid rare words and idioms. Avoid everything that wouldn't be taught in foreign schools or common in your field. You won't get a Nobel prize in literature using it, but international colleagues will thank you.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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post #107

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> "Realistically though, the congress is a worldwide phenomenon" Actually it is an open meeting of the German members of the CCC. What you see online is an important part of the congress, but it is only a part of the whole thing. Much more it is a gathering of activists. Thus its from the CCC for CCC. Guests are welcome. Since the talks maybe interesting to a larger audience they are streamed and translated in real-t…

>> "Realistically though, the congress is a worldwide phenomenon" >People from outside Germany are visiting the congress. My point exactly! International people want to take part, best in-person, and they are more able to take part if as much as possible is available in the common-denominator language. I applaud CCC for all the effort they put in to make it such an awesome and accessible event! Maybe they do this alr…

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Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

#179
post #56

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Communication is not good if everybody speaks the same language at a different level. I have worked in English for close to 30 years and been at many international conferences, presented myself a couple of times. Still I feel handicapped in some presentations/discussions that are dominated by native speakers not using offshore English.

Hmm, not sure, I'm non-native English speaker as well. I have a lot more problems understanding/being understood by non-native English speakers from a different language background than I or they have with a native (American) English speaker. Or do you mean America with offshore?

Pronunciation is only one problem: Personally I find some British and most French natives harder to understand.

But native speakers from any continent can make me feel lost if they start to use a lot of idioms and slang expressions. My boss is an American who has lived abroad for a long time. I have usually no problems to understand what he means. In one phase I noticed him using an increasing amount of idioms I could not understand. When mentioning it to him he said he had had many telcos with US partners recently and that had probably inspired him to revive all kind of colorful idioms.

Re: 38th Chaos Communication Congress

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post #68
post #25

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Your snark is a bit unfair. But I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are. I guess it shows the power differential between US vs Europe/Germany and also the difference between disrupting American and risk-averse European culture? Super smart people in the Bay Area found startups to get rich (and invent the future). Super smart people in Germany can only go into academia and research how t…

> I also noted how far-left and anti-capitalistic many talks/speaker are. Why is this suprising? The hacker culture is rooted in anti-establishment philosophy, spun off from the hippy movement of the 1960s. This is not a regional thing. It's more than a bit ironic that this site is called "hacker news", yet is hosted by a company that holds opposite ideals. :) The term "hacker" has largely lost its original meaning,…

It's "wow, what cool things I can do with this new tech" vs "wow, this new tech is pretty dangerous, let me show you" -- it's a very different mindset. In the end, you can be anti-establishment all you want, it's very hard to let go of your culture.
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