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The number of crimes they've committed is also disproportional to their size.
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If that's the only comparison that comes to mind, then you're basically proving the commenter's point.
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What exploit packages in recent years that aren’t NSO haven’t been attributed to an APT?
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My understanding is that in places like Russia or China they have full blown military units with uniformed officers and men that are developing these sorts of things. In the US a lot of it is (was?) NSA related like EternalBlue. Are you saying in the west now that we are buying exploits from the grey market instead of getting them from NSA researchers? I thought that more broadly the government had been learning its lesson that there is no such thing as a NOBUS vuln and that America has more to lose than our adversaries from these things.
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My understanding is that in places like Russia or China they have full blown military units with uniformed officers and men that are developing these sorts of things. In the US a lot of it is (was?) NSA related like EternalBlue. Are you saying in the west now that we are buying exploits from the grey market instead of getting them from NSA researchers? I thought that more broadly the government had been learning its…
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I didn't say if I think that drone killing is justified or not, since I have no opinion on that - I don't know enough to form an opinion. I only say that since the government have the right to send killing drone it doesn't make sense to raise pitchforks against phone hacking
The thing is, extrajudicial murder justified by labeling the victim “terrorist” is illegal and should not be accepted in a free and open society. The ‘terrorist’ label was invented as a means of abrogating human rights by governments who felt they were encumbered by the obligation to protect human rights. “Terrorist” labeling is a totalitarian-authoritarian apparatus to avoid culpability for its actions when a govern…
Do you not think that terrorism exists, that the label has been co-opted for other purposes, that terrorists cannot be treated as combatants, that non-declared-war conflicts should not have deliberate strikes or something else?
It seems to me like terrorism has a pretty plain definition: Using violence against civilians/non-combatants to further a ideological goal, primarily via fear.
It's often misused as an excuse, but there are actual terrorists, the word has a meaning and we should not let it be watered down by either the people wanting to use it as an excuse or the people trying to shroud terrorism in something else.
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The US hosts and protects firms that are better at this than NSO, and not just because they're smart enough not to be in the news.
Do these firms target US citizens without a US warrant?
You don’t need a warrant to target US citizens unless you are the government.
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People have to start assuming that any communication method in use is compromised. There’s just no way on earth orgs like the NSA would throw their hands up in the air and not find multiple different avenues into an app like signal. Its one of the most downloaded messaging apps. Investment into compromising it is very worth while. People should just assume everything involving a cell phone or computer is inherently i…
Password managers are such a high target that I wonder how we’ve convinced people to put all their passwords in the same software.
Depends on your threats.
I’m more worried about financial scams than I am anything related to government. Password managers with random passwords are an excellent guard against that threat.
If I were worried about state actor threats, any keys or passwords would be memorized.
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#178I'm not a lawyer so maybe I'm misunderstanding something but the plaintiff is Whatsapp, not the journalists. This isn't really about holding NSO Group accountable for hacking journalists at all The fact journalists were compromised seems only incidental, the ruling is about weather or not NGO Group "exceeded authorization" on WhatsApp by sending the Pegasus installation vector through WhatsApp to the victims and not…
i dont think users of whatsapp would have standing against people hacking whatsapp to get their data. whatsapp owns the systems, so its up to whatsapp to sue
What?
So if someone robs a bank and empties my safety deposit box I can't sue them because it was the bank that had the money, not me?
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#179Darknet Diaries did a few podcast episodes on the NSO group from the perspective of people who have directly interacted with or have been the target and it really puts it into perspective how horrific they are. They operate under the protection of the US and are directly allowed to spy on US citizens without any recourse whatsoever. One particularly grotesque case was the illegal wire tapping of Ben Suda after launch…
I refuse to use Israeli tech in my stack if at all possible. I don't see how someone could use software like Snyk and not put themselves at risk (founders are ex-IDF Unit 8200). Especially in the area of security, it seems like using Israeli tech is inviting the wolf straight into the hen house. No thanks.
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#180I thought Whatsapp and signal share the same encryption
People have to start assuming that any communication method in use is compromised. There’s just no way on earth orgs like the NSA would throw their hands up in the air and not find multiple different avenues into an app like signal. Its one of the most downloaded messaging apps. Investment into compromising it is very worth while. People should just assume everything involving a cell phone or computer is inherently i…
Well no Chinese should be using software that involved Americans. That is just common sense. When the chips are down everyone gets drafted by their country's security apparatus.