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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by 20after4 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #114
munificent wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience is that YouTube recommendations are heavily weighted based on my watch history. If I watch a single video on, say, videogames, all of a sudden my recommendations are all gamer stuff. Fortunately, you can easily edit your watch history. I just go through mine periodically and remove any kind of video that I don't want recommendations related to. Doing that has given me a very dialed in recommendation fee…

It's biased by your watch history, but it's never just that. In my experience (browsing without accounts, in private browsing with no cookies, on rotating IPs), there seems to be a distinct spot in the algorithm for some inflammatory engagement bait regardless of your history. That bait is not dependent on your watch history and is based on your geographic location by the looks of it. Regardless of what I watch, in t…

There is strong incentive for youtube creators to create this kind of "clickbait" content (and especially clickbait titles and thumbnails) which perpetuates that situation regardless of whether the algorithm explicitly rewards it. As long as engagement is a factor and creators are rewarded for it then it seems like what you observed is kind of unavoidable.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by SquareWheel »

coconut08 wrote: post #141
josephcsible wrote: post #134

Please remove "Also available on FDroid" from the page. This app is not available on F-Droid and isn't allowed to be added to it since it isn't open source.

where it says available on fdroid it links to their personal fdroid repository. plenty of projects both open source and not have their own fdroid repository. fdroid is both a repository that only allows open source software and a packaging infrastructure tool for people hosting their own repositories. based on the fact their claim that they are on fdroid literally hyperlinks to their fdroid repository i don't see how…

Yep, as a user I didn't find it confusing at all. F-Droid is designed for and around adding custom repos. FUTO links to their own repo and it all works fine.

I'd definitely consider this as being "available on F-Droid".

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by Teever »

freedomben wrote: post #140
godDLL wrote: post #130

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That's a windows-ism, we don't like that kind of stuff. Not on any other OS we don't.

Parent is not wrong, but definitely could have some improved manners and tact. As a linux user I wanted to make sure to say thank you for supporting and thinking about linux!

What exactly is wrong with how they expressed themselves?

Is the word "hate" really so odious?

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by ChocolateGod »

Zefiroj wrote: post #167
ChocolateGod wrote: post #156

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NixOS user here, where running precompiled binaries from your downloads folder won't work. Could you look at supporting a Flatpak for Linux? If unsure, I'll happily throw a manifest together and post it on a MR.

nix-ld[1] and envfs[2] provide a decent workaround for unpatched binaries, in case you haven't heard of these tools yet. [1] https://github.com/nix-community/nix-ld [2] https://github.com/Mic92/envfs The blog post linked by [1] is quite good.

I use NixOS for the base system and Flatpak+Containers for everything else. I would rather keep it this way as it keeps everything nice and separated, and less chance of things breaking from Nix being rolling.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by imiric »

Nextgrid wrote: post #114
munificent wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience is that YouTube recommendations are heavily weighted based on my watch history. If I watch a single video on, say, videogames, all of a sudden my recommendations are all gamer stuff. Fortunately, you can easily edit your watch history. I just go through mine periodically and remove any kind of video that I don't want recommendations related to. Doing that has given me a very dialed in recommendation fee…

It's biased by your watch history, but it's never just that. In my experience (browsing without accounts, in private browsing with no cookies, on rotating IPs), there seems to be a distinct spot in the algorithm for some inflammatory engagement bait regardless of your history. That bait is not dependent on your watch history and is based on your geographic location by the looks of it. Regardless of what I watch, in t…

Agreed.

The most insidious thing is when you see kids hooked on it. Not only are they fed the same garbage content and ads, some of it is actually harmful, like Elsagate. Some of those videos are still available on the site, and more get added all the time.

We can argue whether parents should let their kids use YouTube, and if the YouTube Kids app works well enough to protect them from this, but at the end of the day we're just data mines and not customers, so nothing besides public outrage and regulations could improve this. It's also an incredibly difficult problem given the amount of videos uploaded every day, but I'm sure Google could solve it if they had good reasons to.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by Nextgrid »

20after4 wrote: post #171
Nextgrid wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's biased by your watch history, but it's never just that. In my experience (browsing without accounts, in private browsing with no cookies, on rotating IPs), there seems to be a distinct spot in the algorithm for some inflammatory engagement bait regardless of your history. That bait is not dependent on your watch history and is based on your geographic location by the looks of it. Regardless of what I watch, in t…

There is strong incentive for youtube creators to create this kind of "clickbait" content (and especially clickbait titles and thumbnails) which perpetuates that situation regardless of whether the algorithm explicitly rewards it. As long as engagement is a factor and creators are rewarded for it then it seems like what you observed is kind of unavoidable.

I don't mean usual, on-topic clickbait consistent with the watch history. I mean that in the middle of said on-topic clickbait, one or two of the recommendation slots are always explicitly allocated to a broader, regional-level pool of inflammatory political clickbait completely unrelated to watch history.

So for example, I could be watching some niche technical videos, and my recommendations would be more of that for the most part. Except that on an English-speaking-country IP address, I'd also get some inflammatory Trump-related video among the usual recommendations. On a French IP I get the French equivalent, and so on.

So either consumers of various niche content (in unrelated fields, from retrocomputing to farming or vehicle repair) also all happen to be into political trash in various languages so much as to outcompete other on-topic videos in the recommendations, or the recommendation engine has an explicit feature to push inflammatory crap in addition to "organic" recommendations. I strongly suspect it's the latter.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by LeonB »

indrora wrote: post #154
godDLL wrote: post #130

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That's a windows-ism, we don't like that kind of stuff. Not on any other OS we don't.

Even Windows has %appdata% which is where you put stuff on disk that you need to stash away. There's also function calls iirc which will give you a handle to a temporary file if you need it.

And if you’re feeling particularly Sadomasochistic there’s always the Windows Registry.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by 627467 »

josephcsible wrote: post #134

Please remove "Also available on FDroid" from the page. This app is not available on F-Droid and isn't allowed to be added to it since it isn't open source.

It is available in fdroid on my ungoogled phone. I don't know what you're talking about

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by k3vinw »

radicality wrote: post #69
philsnow wrote: post #22

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What spyware? I don't have a tiktok account

Take a look at the following blog post that looks at TikTok’s encrypted VM and how it profiles you. And this is just on the website, without even installing the app. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34109771

Yep. My point exactly!

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

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Post by k3vinw »

philsnow wrote: post #22
k3vinw wrote: post #18

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Lol. Don’t hold your breath. I used to enjoy TikTok until they forced me to create an account and install their spyware.

What spyware? I don't have a tiktok account

And you can’t use TikTok without an account because they need that to “spy” on you.
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