Craigslist used to donate over $100,000 every single year. Not sure when that stopped. That is really what kept perl going between the years of 2010 and 2016 or so. The board was actually paying a couple of people to do maintenance on the core repository and code. I believe they still do that but obviously due to deficits that is going to get difficult. It's sad when so many companies are dependent upon perl, but don…
booking.com is, I think, still a heavy Perl user. I don't know to what degree they give back.
DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
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Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed. What concerns me is that with the current AI trends, the amount of funding that the Adobes of the world will put into AI for their products will only widen the gap between OSS and proprietary solutions.
I see it as an opportunity. "Libre" models are already matching state-of-the-art models, so it's not like this power will not be available to the OSS developers.
Not sure the oss community can keep up.
Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
#173A: This is great! Perl is much maligned but a fantastic Swiss army chainsaw and still runs so much critical infrastructure. B: I find it concerning that $25k is a notable donation; is the Foundation doing that poorly? I would have hoped this number to have two more digits in it for it to be a front page worthy item.
You know, I hear this a lot (especially earlier in my career) but I _never_ ran into any system made in perl, ever. I started my professional career in early ~2010 and have been programming since ~2005.
Maybe they are just very black box-y and I don't even know that the underlying stack is perl?
Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
#174Craigslist used to donate over $100,000 every single year. Not sure when that stopped. That is really what kept perl going between the years of 2010 and 2016 or so. The board was actually paying a couple of people to do maintenance on the core repository and code. I believe they still do that but obviously due to deficits that is going to get difficult. It's sad when so many companies are dependent upon perl, but don…
Gifts don’t require repayment. Releasing free software is a gift to the world. Corporations don’t owe free software maintainers a cent, because people using your software doesn’t cost you anything.
They better pay, or some body 15 years from now will have to spend $10,000 just to being learning how to code.
That not only reduces number of programmers that you can hire, that will create a serious general programmer crunch, that will likely increase the cost of making software 1000x.
Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
Curious: do you also do script-writing in other languages? And just pull out perl for a subset of problems? Or are most things at the "bigger than a script" level for you? I'm not here to judge. I still prefer to write my python scripts like it's the 2.7 days... (more effort goes to python "code")
Generally, if the script is more than a one-off, I will write in Python, since all the young seem to know Python, and very few seem to know Perl. There are two recurring jobs that I have not rewritten from Perl, one because "pack" is so handy. The only other language I use much for scripting is Javascript, or rather Jscript, for our accounting department sometimes needs files munged for integration into Great Plains,…
'I know Perl' people != 'I know Python' people
Perl was/is just so powerful, people have used to do all kinds of things that most people probably don't even have idea can be done. Its some what similar to the power of macros in vim/emacs. People(especially young) are often surprised you can just open vim on a ec2 instance and do something in 30 seconds, they were planning to spend hours/days doing using java+bash or something.
I have both seen and done, people build such extreme, big and hard things with Perl and so quickly, that I'm sure somebody without that context would find it hard to imagine. Im sure you can do in Python, anything you can do in Perl. But definitely not in the same time, not the same size and more importantly- not often.
Programming culture has been trading tool power for beginners ease for decades now, and the market is swamped with tools that appeal and work only for beginners not for advanced users.
In its hey days Perl programmers would do things in a weekend, what the neighbouring Java team had 12 people and a year to do. There is a reason so much was built in Perl in those days. But like most things, money increased, people had lots of time and budget to get things done. Beginner tools got used more often. Perl also got its reputation as a hard to use tool around that time.
But honestly I see so much manual drudgery these days. Its irritating to see that as a Perl programmer. There is nothing more sad that watching people do work, that must be done by a program.
Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
#176Craigslist used to donate over $100,000 every single year. Not sure when that stopped. That is really what kept perl going between the years of 2010 and 2016 or so. The board was actually paying a couple of people to do maintenance on the core repository and code. I believe they still do that but obviously due to deficits that is going to get difficult. It's sad when so many companies are dependent upon perl, but don…
Gifts don’t require repayment. Releasing free software is a gift to the world. Corporations don’t owe free software maintainers a cent, because people using your software doesn’t cost you anything.
Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
#177A: This is great! Perl is much maligned but a fantastic Swiss army chainsaw and still runs so much critical infrastructure. B: I find it concerning that $25k is a notable donation; is the Foundation doing that poorly? I would have hoped this number to have two more digits in it for it to be a front page worthy item.
> A: This is great! Perl is much maligned but a fantastic Swiss army chainsaw and still runs so much critical infrastructure. You know, I hear this a lot (especially earlier in my career) but I _never_ ran into any system made in perl, ever. I started my professional career in early ~2010 and have been programming since ~2005. Maybe they are just very black box-y and I don't even know that the underlying stack is per…
Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Generally, if the script is more than a one-off, I will write in Python, since all the young seem to know Python, and very few seem to know Perl. There are two recurring jobs that I have not rewritten from Perl, one because "pack" is so handy. The only other language I use much for scripting is Javascript, or rather Jscript, for our accounting department sometimes needs files munged for integration into Great Plains,…
>>since all the young seem to know Python 'I know Perl' people != 'I know Python' people Perl was/is just so powerful, people have used to do all kinds of things that most people probably don't even have idea can be done. Its some what similar to the power of macros in vim/emacs. People(especially young) are often surprised you can just open vim on a ec2 instance and do something in 30 seconds, they were planning to…
Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think a lot of companies are kind of realising the tech stack they use has a bigger impact on hiring than salaries. I believe banks are encountering this issue with no one wanting to do C++ anymore.
I guess with C++ you either work for a bank or you do video games. Guess which one people prefer?
Game dev dont pay.
Re: DuckDuckGo donates $25k to the Perl and Raku Foundation
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
The next 15-20 years are going to be entertaining as the world finally runs out of COBOL developers.
It’s not really that hard to make new ones.