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Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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Any serious organization will take that into account for the managers own performance. Their job is people management, and so losing an employee is potentially a strike against them and they need to be able to justify the firing was not their own failure but the employees inability to perform, which is part of the process. You can also get some signal about this on how other employees are performing, if every employe…

Ah, well, I guess in that case most organizations are quite unserious.

I would put the number at ~90% [0].

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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Don't see how that's strictly better since the person loses out on potential feedback from the PIP vs straight firing. PIP also doesn't prevent someone from getting severance, firing is firing.

Interviewing fulltime vs potential feedback? Notice pay is different from severance.

They can just stop working on the PIP if they don’t care to turn it around

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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There is nothing to hate here. I have given numerous PIP's as a manager and only actually fired once. The purpose of a PIP is to improve, not to fire a person.

Does management ever get PIP'd? In my experience its lowly ICs that take the brunt of PIP culture.

Yes, I know of one right now that’s been coached and hasn’t improved and it will move to a PIP. Their boss said it won’t come as a surprise to them

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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It's interesting how many commenters are defending PIPs. To me it shows an inability to think beyond the ways in which many tech co's operate today. There are so many better ways to deal with an employee who is failing to meet expectations, both for the employee and the company. Giving people more feedback, more frequently can help. Giving people flexibility to switch teams or even roles can help. Better interviewing…

None of the things you mention seem to be mutually exclusive with PIPs. Without commenting on PIPs specifically, I can at least say that I work at a company that has PIPs and also practices all of those things.

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I work in a prestigious group within my company. The solutions architects across the company aspire to this group. As such, the cream rises to the top, and I work with amazing engineers. Unfortunately the 6% yearly PIP quota must be met, even within this group. So, you end up with the best of the best in the company fighting to stay off the PIP list. Recently my company started forcing this 6% PIP quota to be met within each band. So now, at the principal solutions architect level, you have the best solutions architects in the company, at the highest level, working on the most prestigious accounts, who must be PIPed at 6%. On my account alone, with roughly 3 SAs, over 5 years, 3 have been PIPed. Each one would have been the top SA on a lower tier account. The management has their favorites, and bring in new SAs as backfill. Those SAs are now PIP fodder. Each time we get a new SA on the team, I have a one on one with them, and explain the history of our team. The wise ones understand the situation and jump elsewhere in the org. It’s become this revolving door of exceptional talent, who our customers adore, who keep getting PIPed. It’s not good for the customer, and not good for the company. The engineers who survive have taken an offense approach to the situation, setting other SAs up for failure. Ultimately the roles are filled with a collection of scheming back stabbers who are more skilled at politics than delivering results.

In my own role, I’ve realized that getting promoted is more likely to put me in competition with a more elite set of engineers, so I continue to decline the promotion offer. I happily perform at top of band in my current role, and avoid the PIP stress. I’m likely sacrificing $100k/year for this peace of mind, but also expect to work another 7 years in this role at this level, as opposed to maybe 3 years at the higher level before getting PIPed.

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Over the years we've gotten more and more technological advances, we have automated more and more labor yet the amount of labor we have to put in increases which makes me wonder, where is all that output going as I'm pretty sure it doesn't go into our pockets or our governments. For years I haven't noticed and even burned-out few times as I'm very passionate about this field and STEM in general but count me out from…

Pips rise and software quality stays the same or gets worse. High performers get to delude themselves into thinking they have impact.

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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A PIP should be the last chance to improve. You should have had many chances before that, with lots of clear feedback. Of course it's soul-destroying, but laying them off is worse.

People have things going on in their lives! What if it's not the employee's performance but the manager's that's concerning — it's the manager who should get the PIP? What if it's the CEO's fault for creating an environment where many employees are demotivated — what if the CEO should be the one getting the PIP? Tech still, to this day, has a problem retaining women and URMs. Conceptions of individual performance are…

URM? I can’t find what that is

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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I work in a prestigious group within my company. The solutions architects across the company aspire to this group. As such, the cream rises to the top, and I work with amazing engineers. Unfortunately the 6% yearly PIP quota must be met, even within this group. So, you end up with the best of the best in the company fighting to stay off the PIP list. Recently my company started forcing this 6% PIP quota to be met wit…

It's interesting to ponder if this is a good thing or a bad thing. The knee jerk reaction is this is all very unhealthy but I wonder if it is really. Imagine we were talking about back-up quarterbacks in the NFL. That individual is probably one heck of a quarterback and athlete, and they did excellent in lesser teams which is what got them into the NFL in the first place. But, they are a back-up quarter back in the NFL, not a starter. If they continue to remain a back-up quarterback, should they be PIP'ed or not?

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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Throwaway manager here. I tried to keep a personality hire out of a PIP. It was a huge mistake. Turns out when all other options are exhausted, a PIP can be a form of respect. In the hands of the right manager, an underperformer gets one last clear chance to show they can do the job. If they succeed, some the ugly baggage gets put behind them. And if they can't succeed, then the PIP sends a message that they are unsu…

wow, unsuited for the whole industry?

Re: Performance improvement plans are on the rise

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>A good manager doesn't need PIPs because they're always communicating clearly and consistently to their reports about how they're doing. More generally, a good manager is someone who shields their people from surprises. A PIP should never come as a surprise to someone. Unfortunately, there are bad managers out there who fail at that. It's not the manager's fault if someone gets put on a PIP, but it's absolutely 100%…

How do you think a manager should handle the case where a company forces the manager to select one person from the team for a bogus (in bad faith) PIP?

From the view of the team the ideal manager is a shield overhead protecting them from the crap coming down from above, the manager should refuse and push back.

From the view of “is this good for the company?” the manager should push back on bogus bad faith tasks and the structures which make them exist.

I understand that from the manager’s own perspective their income might be priority one - but then I wonder if they are just a conduit for senior management crap to flow through, harming their team morale, what are they actually doing that’s worthwhile?

If it is bogus, hopefully it still won’t be out of the blue - warning to the team that it’s coming to someone - and they could try and arrange it as an encouragement to leave, with payout, with recommendation, before it’s a total surprise. The manager must know whom they would and would not fake-PIP, and from Yossi Kreinin’s assertions that employees know their managers’ minds better than they say, the employees likely know who is in favour and who isn’t.

https://www.yosefk.com/blog/people-can-read-their-managers-m...

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