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Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by izzydata »

mwinatschek wrote: post #163

Social media was doomed the moment its users were demoted from customers to exploitable sources of data. Bluesky will inevitably follow the same path of enshittification as every other social network before it. Its current success hinges solely on the nostalgic desire for a single platform where people can gather in peace. The real question is: How many cycles of doom will people endure before they finally stop jumpi…

There are no ads so that is one aspect that could prevent enshitification. Businesses can't just spend money to force their way into peoples feeds. At least not in a traditional advertising kind of way.

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Post by mcphage »

unnamed76ri wrote: post #53
shigawire wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is more momentum against Musk now than when threads launched. Not sure it is enough to overcome the network effect - but there is a lot of illwill towards his projects. I can see how something like SpaceX is overall a net good, but I don't see that upside for X.

Free speech is the upside of X. People leaving to join the echo chambers of Bluesky or Threads, only serves to turn X into the echo chamber they claim it is.

> Free speech is the upside of X.

You can’t possibly believe that, can you? Have you not noticed the vast gulf between what Musk says and what Musk does?

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by mcphage »

wmf wrote: post #52
phb01 wrote: post #45

I think the factor which will determine which networks survive is the ability to handle bots driven by modern AI agents. I’m not sure how even the best moderation features can detect and mitigate these.

AI doesn't matter. Moderation should apply to humans and AIs equally.

> Moderation should apply to humans and AIs equally.

Unless you’re trying to create a social network to promote human voices and not bots.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by mcphage »

amiga386 wrote: post #157

Another day, another advert for Bluesky. There've been 70 stories with "bluesky" in the title submitted to HN this week alone, compared with 130 in the past month. For all the talk of leaving Twitter, Twitter has 30x the daily visits of its rivals: https://www.axios.com/2024/11/14/elon-musk-x-attention-war-s... My personal view is if you're on Twitter, leave it and don't replace it with anything. Find peace and tranq…

> For all the talk of leaving Twitter, Twitter has 30x the daily visits of its rivals.

Over the whole world maybe, but perhaps not among the HN crowd.

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Post by afavour »

subarctic wrote: post #151
sockaddr wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d bet Meta is counting all the random Instagram users that accidentally interact with the forced threads clickbait posts in their feed.

But that doesn't really matter right? They got tricked into using it but they're still using it

It does. If all you do is tap on a post then immediately hit back you’re not really engaging with the platform. But I’m sure they’ll still count you as an active user.

The meaningful stats would be number of posts seen, engaged with, and number of posts the user made themselves.

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Post by citizenkeen »

hughesjj wrote: post #143
thekevan wrote: post #121

I still feel that an enormous amount of why threads shows up in data analytics is because Instagram just added it on and made an account for everyone. It wasn't adopted, it was falsely created. I'd go even further to say that it isn't a social network, it's an add-on to another social network.

It reminds me of google plus. Technically better than the existing top dog, but the forced migration and trying to bootstrap with a huge but only semi involved userbase let it fizzle soon after the start. Has there ever been a successful case of bootstrapping a new social media product with an existing userbase? Like not just added features or merging two together.

Google+ was wildly successful in certain circles. Tabletop RPG design still hasn’t entirely recovered from its loss.

Google+ was successful from any real metric but it didn’t replace Facebook so it was axed.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by mcphage »

klntsky wrote: post #25

Twitter does not need a replacement. There seem to be a popular opinion that it does, but it's not something people are willing to act on. It's a better app than it used to be, overall.

> but it's not something people are willing to act on.

Sure looks like they are.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by afavour »

paxys wrote: post #75
janalsncm wrote: post #6

Is it all the ways that matter? The author mentions one way, DAU. Sure, that is important but I can think of other things that matter. The number of “creator” accounts matters just as much as the number of lurkers. From my experience Bluesky is way better and has respect for the user’s choice front and center. Lists of users to follow is a first-class citizen feature. Their algorithm is a chronological feed, not boos…

Here's one metric that matters – revenue per user. Bluesky's is, I assume, zero, and soon that will have to change. Threads meanwhile has the largest social media ads and monetization platform in the world behind it ready to make the dollars flow at the push of a button.

If the revenue per user is enough to cover costs, does it matter? Will it have to change?

We’ve all had “hockey stick growth!” shouted at us so many times that we’ve internalised it but Bluesky is a team is 20 odd people. They don’t have the kind of footprint Meta has and right now they don’t need it. I hope they stay small and chart a different path to success.

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Post by AlienRobot »

the_snooze wrote: post #78
Onavo wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The second camp is just artificially creating echo chambers, a virtual "separate and distinct network" for the parts that matter.

The "echo chamber" argument really doesn't speak to me because all I want is a place where I can get timely updates about: people in my research field, pictures of cute dogs, and municipal government activities. The more a website stays laser-focused on my interests, the better.

I share the sentiment.

It seems some people got on the internet to argue and never learned to enjoy anything. I'm a bit sorry for them, to be honest.

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Post by citizenkeen »

gwervc wrote: post #169
anon7000 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Added to that is user choice over moderation and algorithms. That’s what’s truly interesting about BlueSky. It allows for side A and B to both exist, with people who want to be more isolated in a safe space (so to speak) to do so. That’s a really great property. If I want to engage with content I severely disagree with, I can put it in a feed I check infrequently so that it doesn’t impact my life. Humans aren’t good…

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