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Re: Marshall Brain has died

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Sad to hear a brilliant man decided to take his own life. He seemed increasingly dark on his later takes, and it's a testament to the evils of unrestrained high-IQ and no guard rails.

Bit premature to use the e word. You don't know what he was going through, what his medical status was, or even have certainty how he died. And all of us, even the von Neumanns and the Ramanujans, have restraints and guard rails.

Suicide is evil. Bar none.

Re: Marshall Brain has died

#172

Sad to hear a brilliant man decided to take his own life. He seemed increasingly dark on his later takes, and it's a testament to the evils of unrestrained high-IQ and no guard rails.

What guard rails could anyone with an unrestrained high IQ possibly have?

Faith.

Re: Marshall Brain has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bit premature to use the e word. You don't know what he was going through, what his medical status was, or even have certainty how he died. And all of us, even the von Neumanns and the Ramanujans, have restraints and guard rails.

Suicide is evil. Bar none.

That's one view. There are others.

I would never begrudge someone with a terminal degenerative illness choosing the manner of their exit.

And there are states of mind which, had you ever experienced them, would have you pleading for a swift end to things. You are lucky to have never known them.

Good and evil don't necessarily come into it at all, except for in a judgmental observer's mind. Some people call abortions evil (even if they're terminal, or a result of rape, etc). Yet they feel different when it's their abortion.

Many people felt gay marriage was so evil that it would end society as we know it. Same with cannabis; same with left handedness.

Sometimes suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem; sometimes it's a mercy. What qualifies you to judge someone else's decision and label them evil, without so much as having met them?

Re: Marshall Brain has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suicide is evil. Bar none.

That's one view. There are others. I would never begrudge someone with a terminal degenerative illness choosing the manner of their exit. And there are states of mind which, had you ever experienced them, would have you pleading for a swift end to things. You are lucky to have never known them. Good and evil don't necessarily come into it at all, except for in a judgmental observer's mind. Some people call abortions…

How do you know I haven't experienced maddening states of mental derision?

Re: Marshall Brain has died

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I don’t mean the AI. I mean a Manna-driven society is itself turing complete. I’m struggling to see it with Vertebrane.

How can a society ever not be Turing complete when even an isolated human already is?

It’s a matter of what emerges.

I can network multiple general purpose computers together to build a finite state machine/regex engine.

The rules of this “society” and its defined interactions aren’t Turing complete (it’s a FSM), even if the general purpose constituents are.

Re: Marshall Brain has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's one view. There are others. I would never begrudge someone with a terminal degenerative illness choosing the manner of their exit. And there are states of mind which, had you ever experienced them, would have you pleading for a swift end to things. You are lucky to have never known them. Good and evil don't necessarily come into it at all, except for in a judgmental observer's mind. Some people call abortions…

How do you know I haven't experienced maddening states of mental derision?

I don't, and never said that I did.

However, if such a state didn't drive you to suicide, then you haven't experienced the furthest extent to which such states can drive some one. Try extrapolating: what if that experience of yours had been 10x more intense; 100x; 1,000x.

You don't know the limit of any other human's suffering, and neither do I. Lucky us.

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