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Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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> Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors. Yikes. Makes me wonder if this is market-dependent. I mean, do you expect "Emergency manual door release" to be a line item in Tesla's configurator? Didn't think so.

This is US law. You can't have a child usable manual emergency release on the doors where you might have child lock enabled.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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Just calling out the poor way this (and many) articles write about car accidents. I’m not a Tesla fan at all but blaming Tesla for the crash is incorrect. (It is correct to blame them for the way the door locks work though and therefore can be blamed for the excess injuries/deaths that result from the design decision.) From the article: > Four people were killed in a fire after a Tesla Model Y lost control and hit a…

>It is correct to blame them for the way the door locks work though and therefore can be blamed for the excess injuries/deaths that result from the design decision. This is what is being discussed here: that four people burned to death because they were unable to exit the vehicle.

It's not correct to blame them for the way the door locks work. This is the case on all electronic door handles, now becoming common on new cars. The reason you can't have an emergency manual override easily accessible is that a child could use it when child lock is enabled. The US government created this problem.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting quote from that piece: > The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high…

I am going to look at the data, not at the subjective reinterpretation or subjective rating.

A good instinct, but the point is it's important to think about what the data means. The authors of the paper are just saying that the populations of people driving each type of car are different so looking at a percentage of fatalities is not particularly informative. If you took all those people who currently drive 20 year old fords at 10 under the speed limit and put them in teslas, maybe the tesla fatality rate per billion miles would start to look a bit better.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Tesla Has Highest Fatal Accident Rate of All Auto Brands: Study" (2024) https://autos.yahoo.com/tesla-highest-fatal-accident-rate-16...

Interesting quote from that piece: > The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high…

Sure, makes sense, but then we have the invisible, possibly non existent emergency door release. Do they also go through the effort of pointing this out as a factor in the statistics? Or is that not counted as a design flaw? Whether they’re saying the truth or not, i think in these roles, it’s very easy to omit damaging information while not outright lying. It’s also easy to be taken to lunch by a Tesla person to talk about how to cushion the reports impact.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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post #60

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Most current BMWs with frameless windows still have mechanical door openings (e.g. BMW i4).

Indeed, my 2001 E46 BMW had this. It’s not complicated or new.

I still have over one these and can confirm the doors open with the battery disconnected.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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post #119

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2023/12/18/tesla-ha...

Isn’t it missing the death aspect ?

It is found straight at the source: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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My Chevrolet truck while having an actual door latch, doesn’t open the doors if they’re locked. You have to pull twice. Is that an electronic counter (likely) or mechanical? If the latter, no big deal, if the former it’s even worse than the Tesla - at least my MY has a separate mechanical over ride.

Pulling again is probably a pretty panic friendly procedure though.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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> Not all Model Y vehicles are equipped with a manual release for the rear doors. Yikes. Makes me wonder if this is market-dependent. I mean, do you expect "Emergency manual door release" to be a line item in Tesla's configurator? Didn't think so.

This is US law. You can't have a child usable manual emergency release on the doors where you might have child lock enabled.

You could have the manual release just not do anything when child lock is enabled like on every other car with child locks.

Then again, there should be a manual release on the outside too...

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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They use frameless windows, so the electronic release slightly lowers them to avoid them scraping the door frame.

There were plenty of older frameless doors where the door itself opens mechanically and the window lowers slightly. A lot of the older subarus for example. What's special about Tesla (or any of the other newer cars with full electrical door opening mechanisms) that makes this not an option?

It's impossible cannot be done. They tried nothing and were out of ideas.

Re: Four dead in fire as Tesla doors fail to open after crash

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I’ll leave a thought that isn’t a Tesla criticism (because the others are good): everybody should carry a lifehammer in their car. If not for saving your own life, it might come in handy for saving somebody else’s. https://www.amazon.com/Lifehammer-Brand-Safety-Hammer-Nether... Don’t buy the cheap Chinese knockoffs.

https://www.lifehammerproducts.com/app/uploads/2024/06/20240... Lifehammers don't work on laminated glass, like your front windshield (that would be bad, as it would mean a rock chip would shatter your window). But more and more manufactures are putting in laminated side windows in their cars both for comfort (noise) and rollover protection, so Lifehammers don't work there either. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptaI…

What’s the recommended product then? .. does anything even work?
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