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Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by aucisson_masque »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #127
fakedang wrote: post #124

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Population being split on the available options is the basis of democracy and is a feature not a bug. Otherwise we might as well just have a CCP style single party.

Population being split is what Putin and other directorship wants. Ever heard about Philippe de Macédoine "divide and conquer" ?

They are doing the same in Europe, because divided we wouldn't be able to merge our force and push them back.

If half of America is for helping Ukraine and half against, it makes it even tougher to do anything. Not enough and people get mad about Ukrainian dying, too much and people get mad about the money spending, everytime you get chaos.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by rootusrootus »

Yawrehto wrote: post #135
lucianbr wrote: post #49

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Interesting that money is considered to have a large influence on US elections, one side has a lot more money, and yet the race is incredibly close.

In my view, money might once have, but the number of persuadable voters is quite low. If someone has decided to vote for Trump, it's unlikely they will change their mind. And if someone is undecided, they'll probably vote for Trump, because let's face it, most people voting for Harris aren't voting because they like her platform - they're voting because they dislike Trump. If you don't dislike Trump, Harris's platfor…

> most people voting for Harris aren't voting because they like her platform - they're voting because they dislike Trump

That seems to be a popular conclusion by people who are on the Trump side. I see little evidence for it in real life. Many factors go into a political choice, and sure, disliking Trump is one of them, but most Harris supporters would not be voting R in any case because they do not agree with that platform.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by Rebelgecko »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #61
bakugo wrote: post #23

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So why did Bezos and Soon-Shiong just decide, out of a clear blue sky, to order their newspapers to withhold endorsements?

Soon-Shiong is looking for a prestigious White House job, not sure about Bezos

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by triceratops »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #162
triceratops wrote: post #149

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Doesn't the Respect for Marriage Act [1] ensure they can't roll back same-sex marriage like they did abortion? 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect_for_Marriage_Act

> Doesn't the Respect for Marriage Act [1] ensure they can't roll back same-sex marriage like they did abortion? No. RMA lets states ban gay marriage. It just requires them to honour other states' gay marriages.

Thanks for the clarification. I still wonder if it matters all that much. You only need one state to allow non-residents to marry on Zoom, and it's a non-issue in practical terms.

States banning same-sex marriage within their borders takes away the dignity and respect of same-sex marriages and couples, so it's quite awful. But they can't actively prosecute people for crossing state lines to marry. They have to provide them the same rights as hetero-married couples, even for things like state benefits and taxes.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by rurp »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #161
imiric wrote: post #154

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Political advertising is just the tip of the corruption iceberg. When lobbying and gerrymandering is legal, can you really claim you're living in a democracy?

> When lobbying and gerrymandering is legal Have you ever given money to the EFF? They're lobbyists. Call your represenatative? That's lobbying. Lobbying, i.e. constituents talking to electeds, is fundamental to democracy.

A huge industrial corporation spending millions on lobbyists in order to make it easier to dump pollutants into the environment without consequence, increasing their profits at the expense of local populations, is also a form of lobbying. I would bet that amoral corporate lobbying accounts for far more activity than good mission driven orgs like the EFF.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by dartos »

jodacola wrote: post #166
jodacola wrote: post #98

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Small Town Truth says it's a registered 501(c)(3). I just found it by searching here: https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/ It leads to further rabbit holes I don't have the time to dig into now, but I might later, because now I'm very curious where it leads.

Meetings ended and I couldn't wait to get back! So, searching via that Exempt Organization Search led to a 501(c)(3) letter being issued to Small Town Truth, mailed to a residential address in the care of the "Better Narrative Group" - another "interesting" site[0]. Doing a little more searching, I've found another 501(c)(3) in care of Better Narrative Group: Soul of a Nation Media. Similar setup. In trying to find m…

Not at my desktop, so I can’t really dig into the technical details of these sites, but by the look of them, they were all made either with the same tool and general components OR they were all made by the same group (maybe the same contracting firm or something)

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by leereeves »

reaperducer wrote: post #170
leereeves wrote: post #156

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Musk pays people to sign a petition, which is legal.

So legal that he stopped after being warned by the feds.

Who says he stopped? I can't find that in the news, and the offer is still up at:

https://petition.theamericapac.org/

Even the Biden DOJ only warned him that it "might be illegal". They're stretching the law, trying to apply a law against paying people to register to vote, but Elon will pay people who are already registered so that's quite a stretch.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by kldx »

anigbrowl wrote: post #148
kldx wrote: post #34

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How are TV ads any different from MDG posters or the AP ads at bus stops? We allow the latter in Norway and they're not that much cheaper than TV ads.

Reasoning being that live images can have a huge influence

Adding some context here - TBane stations (the subway) in Oslo have posters that show live videos - usually static images with dynamic attention-grabbing effects but sometimes full blown videos too.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

rurp wrote: post #175
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #161

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> When lobbying and gerrymandering is legal Have you ever given money to the EFF? They're lobbyists. Call your represenatative? That's lobbying. Lobbying, i.e. constituents talking to electeds, is fundamental to democracy.

A huge industrial corporation spending millions on lobbyists in order to make it easier to dump pollutants into the environment without consequence, increasing their profits at the expense of local populations, is also a form of lobbying. I would bet that amoral corporate lobbying accounts for far more activity than good mission driven orgs like the EFF.

> huge industrial corporation spending millions on lobbyists in order to make it easier to dump pollutants into the environment without consequence, increasing their profits at the expense of local populations, is also a form of lobbying

Yes. You're describing a policy disagreement between a polluter and everyone else. Pick any political system and you'll have the same divide. (Again, lobbying involves hiring someone to present the case to an elected. It's categorically distinct from giving to a PAC or campaign.)

> would bet that amoral corporate lobbying accounts for far more activity than good mission driven orgs like the EFF

I mean sure, for a given value of "good." Social policy lobbying tends to vastly outstrip commercial lobbying, in part because the latter is more focussed.

Re: All political ads running on Google in the US

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jodacola wrote: post #166
jodacola wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small Town Truth says it's a registered 501(c)(3). I just found it by searching here: https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/ It leads to further rabbit holes I don't have the time to dig into now, but I might later, because now I'm very curious where it leads.

Meetings ended and I couldn't wait to get back! So, searching via that Exempt Organization Search led to a 501(c)(3) letter being issued to Small Town Truth, mailed to a residential address in the care of the "Better Narrative Group" - another "interesting" site[0]. Doing a little more searching, I've found another 501(c)(3) in care of Better Narrative Group: Soul of a Nation Media. Similar setup. In trying to find m…

> Both Small Town Truth and Soul of a Nation Media changed addresses to a PO Box in Virginia in 2022

What else is at that P.O. box?

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