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If it walks, talks, and looks like a duck it's probably a duck.
Has Nazi become a symbol rather than a concept to you? Is it true that 'Nazi = US enemies'? Do you agree that Israel are playing Nazi's deeds?
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Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#172The email thread continues. Linus later responded with: >No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers. >I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them. Which I find pretty concerning statements, quite a disservice to the community. It's a…
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Not everyone... Some might also be useful idiot or uncompensated trolls doing it as a hobby?
Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it walks, talks, and looks like a duck it's probably a duck.
Has Nazi become a symbol rather than a concept to you? Is it true that 'Nazi = US enemies'? Do you agree that Israel are playing Nazi's deeds?
Nazi might be too strong? Don't think they used that word though?
Russia is an objectively fascist (not technically "nazi" of course) state, though. It literally ticks almost all the boxes.
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#174Strongly opposed to any sort of sanction regime that results in this.
Let me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B int…
I'm not saying the Russia invasion is not evil, but man, did you watch too many popcorn movies?
How child play and naive you're thinking of politics. If Russia ever had that degree of power to control the behavior of its citizens, it would have already ruled the world.
You can't even fully control a 5-person band and you're telling us that magically Russia is able to control millions of people, amongst which none of them know justice or human rights enough to leak any info. You know, even under the infamous assassin attempts from FBI, Snowden managed to flee to Russia. How can Russia be more powerful than the US in this way?
I'm not saying good words to any regime. I mean both the US sanction and the Russian invasion suck. I don't want another country bossing over what you can do, and I don't want another country pointing guns on your head either.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
Has Nazi become a symbol rather than a concept to you? Is it true that 'Nazi = US enemies'? Do you agree that Israel are playing Nazi's deeds?
Nazi might be too strong? Don't think they used that word though? Russia is an objectively fascist (not technically "nazi" of course) state, though. It literally ticks almost all the boxes.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying good words to any regime. I mean both the US sanction and the Russian invasion suck. I don't want another country bossing over what you can do, and I don't want another country pointing guns on your head either.
Russia is bad, but that doesn't mean I'm in support of bans like this without a reason. Just because you "have the reason to commit crimes" is not strong enough a reason to exclude you! How child's bully it is!
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nazi might be too strong? Don't think they used that word though? Russia is an objectively fascist (not technically "nazi" of course) state, though. It literally ticks almost all the boxes.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying good words to any regime. I mean both the US sanction and the Russian invasion suck. I don't want another country bossing over what you can do, and I don't want another country pointing guns on your head either. Russia is bad, but that doesn't mean I'm in support of bans like this without a reason. Just because you "have the reason to commit crimes" is not strong enough a reason to ex…
> don't want another country bossing over what you can do
So we agree that invading other countries is wrong. However you believe that a country has the inherent right to do anything (including imprisoning, murdering them etc. etc.) to its citizens and face no external repercussions? At the same time other countries do not have the right to not do business with that country or to prevent its citizens from doing that. Seems slightly contradictory? No?
> not strong enough a reason to exclude you
IMHO that just sounds like a pretext to me and the removal itself seems like mainly a political statement (especially considering the rhetoric coming from Linus himself).
Not that I'd have any issues with that whatsoever (if those people really want to keep their maintainer status so strongly they could've just moved to another country like a over a million of other Russians did.)
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#178Apparently (quelle surprise) Linus is getting swarmed by Russian trolls like a US swing-state voter. From https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Russian-Devs
Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about. It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything. And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.
If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news," I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam. As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be _supporting_ Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let me spell it out for you: If Project P in Country A is identified by Country B as a potential target for planting cyber-attack-enabling backdoors, Country B has an incentive to find people to put a backdoor in P. If Country B is a free country with rights and ethics, they will say "Help us put a backdoor in P. We'll pay you very well for services rendered," or try to get someone who already works for Country B int…
So all that an evil Russian who wants to commit murder by way of a git commit has to do is... register a free gmail account and come up with a fake name. Gotcha. Certainly no bad guy will ever think of this.
a random free gmail account and a fake name does not give you the ability to commit to the linux kernel, so no.
Re: Several Russian developers lose kernel maintainership status
#180The email thread continues. Linus later responded with: >No, but I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not going to go into the details that I - and other maintainers - were told by lawyers. >I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them. Which I find pretty concerning statements, quite a disservice to the community. It's a…
Open source means put up or shut up. If you don’t like the institutions, then build it yourself.
You can’t cry foul when the group is literally providing you with free software. Open source institutions don’t own anyone anything beyond open software.