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Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by acdha »

RunSet wrote: post #136
acdha wrote: post #73

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> By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations Is this something you know firsthand or something you think you know because a huge amount of money has gone into spreading that message for political purposes? Anyone who’s worked for or with a multi-national knows that they’re hardly as efficient as the marketing would have you believe, and anyone who’s looked at libertarian…

Privatize the fire department and you'll soon see just how shrewd they become.

As a recovering libertarian, I remember how the idea of making all roads tolled to pay for maintenance was an instant conversation killer.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by mixmastamyk »

RMPR wrote: post #116
userbinator wrote: post #104

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every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall Windows has also been doing that for some time now. Only Linux is relatively "clean" from that perspective, but even now some distros are beginning to sneak in spyware. The enshittification of OSes continues...

> but even now some distros are beginning to sneak in spyware. Citation needed. I remember Ubuntu sneaking in some stuff a couple of years ago[0], but most of the mainstream distros have a clean track record. What are you referring to exactly? 0: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-data-collection-o...

New installs make lots of unrequested accesses… fwupmgr, unbound-anchor, ocsp, firefox, all generate telemetry.

Companies have tried buying floss software specifically to add spyware, such as audacity.

It’s not a big fraction of what proprietary OS does, but the threat grows steadily each year.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by timlatim »

idunnoman1222 wrote: post #114
userbinator wrote: post #104

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every time I update macOS, some of the system settings are changed to default including some in the firewall Windows has also been doing that for some time now. Only Linux is relatively "clean" from that perspective, but even now some distros are beginning to sneak in spyware. The enshittification of OSes continues...

Please tell me that upgrading fedora versions works every time ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

What problems have you encountered on Fedora that were caused by a distro upgrade? Asking this because I've been using Fedora for years across different machines and can't recall any breakages that were direct consequences of an upgrade, though I usually apply it a month or two after the release date, so maybe there are early kinks that get resolved by that time.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by f1shy »

m-s-y wrote: post #74
f1shy wrote: post #47

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Somewhat loosely related, but I have something similar with the iPhone browser. Where opening the browser will shortly show the last page I had open (even I carefully closed it before closing the browser). Even if it never got me into trouble, I found that annoying as s. And could potentially make problems.

FWIW, what you’re seeing is likely just the cached thumbnail that iOS creates for the app-switcher UI, not an interactive web session.

Yes. Something like that, but can reveal a lot of the site you were in.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by vundercind »

not_a_bot_4sho wrote: post #158
vundercind wrote: post #105

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Because all operating systems are terrible but the rest are so incredibly bad that Apple’s are still by far the best, once you add up time saved by features and capabilities and subtract time lost to pain-in-the-ass brokenness. (Two decades on DOS/Windows home series and NT, at least for gaming and sometimes work, twelve years with Linux as my main desktop OS, started on Android for smartphones, before finally giving…

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Except I’ve personally used and written software for the big three consumer operating systems, each for many years, plus both major mobile operating systems, and have used a few minor or defunct operating systems for significant lengths of time.

So entirely unlike that and more like a craftsman expressing that an entire category of tool sucks (probably due in part to market failure, in this case) but one brand is easily the best of a bad lot.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by chatmasta »

If you want leak-proof VPN, you need to implement it outside of your device, at the router level. This is true for any device but Apple devices in particular.

I highly recommended sniffing the traffic on the wire and piping it through wireshark. You can do this with a router, or a passive Ethernet tap. You’ll see a bunch of packets going to places other than your VPN entrypoint. If you use a router, you can check your mobile for leaks too. (Did you know if you have WiFi calling enabled, then your phone makes a TCP connection to a sensor server controlled by your ISP every 30 seconds? So if you’ve got T-Mobile and you’re abroad, not even using it as your default SIM, they’ll get a nice log of every exit IP you use.)

Apple’s seeming embrace of support for VPN and network filtering extensions is a red herring, because they’ll happily disable it for their own traffic.

On iOS, the App Store will skip any VPN, and similarly Apple will even block you from downloading updates if you’re on a VPN. I only realized this when I used my wireless router with VPN on it and updates failed to download.

On Mac, there are a bunch of issues, especially on first boot. It seems like the Mac will refuse to establish the VPN until it can make one connection outside of it. I encounter this when my computer wakes from sleep and the on-demand wireguard tunnel (using Cloudflare Warp) fails to send packets. I unplug my Ethernet, disable always-on, wait 30 seconds (for some timeout?), re-enable always-on, and then plug in the Ethernet and in connects. But I’m not actually sure this isn’t leaking, I need to investigate more.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by zdragnar »

herpdyderp wrote: post #161
freedomben wrote: post #126

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If you've been on a MacBook since 2011 or 2012, it's definitely time to give modern Linux a try. It has come in enormously long way since then. I am not exaggerating when I say, I have a better out of the box experience with Fedora. Then I do with Mac OS. Mac OS certainly has a lot of features, and visually has a great deal of Polish, but it also increasingly has a lot of bugs.

Hard disagree. Every Linux-running personal computer that I use or have used is a terrible experience. Something is always broken, the whole system needs to be hard rebooted at least a few times a week, parts of the OS will randomly stop working each day, the list goes on and on. macOS is not perfect by any means, but at least I can actually get work done on it.

Funny, I have the exact opposite experience. My Linux laptops just work. My last three Mac laptops were a pain to use.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by lukan »

Propelloni wrote: post #163
lukan wrote: post #23

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"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead?

> Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead? No, I would like a competent government intervention. Those happen, even if some would rather believe otherwise.

How would that look like, in this concrete example of add controlled smartphones?

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

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Post by lukan »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #83
lukan wrote: post #23

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"they fail to see the systematic risks" Or they also fail at providing a solution. Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead?

> Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead what kind of answer is that exactly? I would much prefer they fix the issue, yes, the stuff I'm using is provided by Apple and it's been paid off in full, I don't know what made people believe that it's ok if software sucks... If a train company causes an accident they are considered liable if a software company leaks my data they should be co…

The complaint was the governemnt does nothing, because they lack a clear solution, to the non trivial problem of todays megacorps and their Power since they control our gadgets. Do you happen to have a concrete solution?
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