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Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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That’s quite a lot. I imagine you’d be happy if you could get a little more than half as much in Europe.

It's an exaggeration. Starting salary in LA for a bus driver is $53k/year; NYC is $61k. Atlanta is $42k; Seattle $69k; Dallas $48k; Miami $43k. It's really only a very limited amount of cities that have $60k salaries for bus drivers.. and they're all cities where $60k doesn't get you that far. For a comparison, starting salary for a bus driver in Paris is 30k euros (with no prerequisites, they will send you to learn…

Netherlands is around €37k/year, and a minimum of 41 holidays xD

While you are learning it’s only €22k though.

I guess the fact you get free insurance helps, and it’s not quite as bad as I thought, but with an income like that you can get a mortgage of around 170k, which will net you around 40% of a house.

Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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As of today we are 1,733. But that may go up soon, we are hiring aggressively to fill roles of some people who left and meet increased customer demand! https://automattic.com/work-with-us/

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It's early afternoon for me, I'm in South Africa right now. https://x.com/photomatt/status/1842048123541061859

Please don't make assumptions on time zones, it's rude.

Also, I am very much listening to the advice from my friends and lawyers, and even some random internet strangers. Happy to change my mind if presented with new information.

Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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I'm surprised more didn't take the offer. Maybe they have a better package of shares in the company that's worth the wait? Otherwise it seems like a great offer to take even if you've enjoyed working there and support Matt and his public meltdowns.

I thought the same, but the thing to remember is that 80% of the employees who took the offer were in the WordPress part of the company. Automattic is at this point a bunch of loosely related companies, it’s understandable that the Pocket Casts team for example are probably quite disconnected from WordPress and the drama. In other words, for those actually affected by the drama, a much higher percentage left.

Right, but I think coalface’s point is that it’s a good deal regardless of the drama. I’ve never really hated a job in my career, but if at any point I had a chance to take a paid break and then get paid two salaries for a bit, I’d probably have taken it more times than not.

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Like, I know they bill by value delivered, but would a $500/hour lawyer really be that much worse?

My guess is WPEngine looked at the amount being asked from them (the lawsuit says "tens of millions of dollars" based on public posts indeed it seems above thirty million a year), divided it by the hourly rate of the best legal representation they thought they can get and decided it's cheaper. They wanted to take no risks. From the other side, after you are sued by Rachel Kassabian you really have no choice but get t…

I mean, presumably you can look at a history of wins in similar cases instead of hourly rate or reputation?

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> So we decided to design the most generous buy-out package possible, we called it an Alignment Offer: if you resigned before 20:00 UTC on Thursday, October 3, 2024, you would receive $30,000 or six months of salary, whichever is higher. But you’d lose access to Automattic that evening, and you wouldn’t be eligible to boomerang (what we call re-hires). HR added some extra details to sweeten the deal; we wanted to mak…

Being made to make that kind of decision in such a short time clearly isn't fair. In many jurisdictions it would be an unfair contract. To then say "Look at how many people didn't take up the offer so they clearly support us" despite such a short notice on the offer makes a mockery of the company and it's leadership.

> In many jurisdictions it would be an unfair contract.

Can you talk more about this? What jurisdictions? Is an unfair contract a legal term?

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This was more generous than both the Basecamp and Coinbase buyout offers, I'm curious why you say I'm a petty tyrant. I can be a little ASD so sometimes my written communication doesn't come through the best.

My guy, I know lots of autistic people. You're not coming across as autistic, you're giving straight up Napoleon marching into Russia with this one.

Thank you for the feedback. I'll try to do better.

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As of today we are 1,733. But that may go up soon, we are hiring aggressively to fill roles of some people who left and meet increased customer demand! https://automattic.com/work-with-us/

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One of the HN rules is to assume good faith.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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twitter fired a lot more % and it's still working

It is actually quite remarkable that Twitter has kept functioning at a technical level. A lot of people expected the massive loss of engineering talent to doom them, but it seemingly hasn't. However, the site is going through a serious cultural (maybe you could say spiritual) death, and that might have something to do with the lost institutional knowledge of what made Twitter tick at a level deeper than just the code…

> A lot of people expected the massive loss of engineering talent to doom them, but it seemingly hasn't.

Not doomed, but lots of failures did follow. Timeline not loading or repeating forever, SMS auth issue, API performance, going down in Australia, etc. - they experienced quite a few problems early post-change, but managed to recover.

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So now we know the lawyers on both sides. To recap, in the lawsuit post, someone said about the law firm WP Engine got: > Quinn Emanuel is one of the premier (and most expensive) litigation firms in the US. Partners in their litigation department run $2000/hour or more. Associates cost almost $1000/hour. And I noted the team is lead by Rachel Kassabian who was lead counsel for Google which in Perfect 10 v Amazon (ori…

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What has the world gone to - lawyers trying to defend the interests of their customers.

Re: Some Automattic employees accept severance package offer

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My guy, I know lots of autistic people. You're not coming across as autistic, you're giving straight up Napoleon marching into Russia with this one.

Thank you for the feedback. I'll try to do better.

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