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OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

lioeters wrote: post #104
bayindirh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The most surprising thing to me in this is that the non-profit will still exist. That entity will scrape the internet and train the models and claim that "it's just research" to be able to claim that all is fair-use. At this point it's not even funny anymore.

Scraping the entire internet for training data without regard for copyright or attribution - specifically to use for generative AI to produce similar content for profit. How this is being allowed to happen legally is baffling. It does suit the modus operandi of a number of American companies that start out as literally illegal/criminal operations until they get big and rich enough to pay a fine for their youthful mis…

It's too soon for the legal system to have done anything. Court cases take years. It's going to be 5 or 10 years before we find out whether the legal system actually allows this or not.

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Post by outside1234 »

mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #11

The most surprising thing to me in this is that the non-profit will still exist. Not sure what the point of it is anymore. Taken as a whole, OpenAI is now just a for-profit entity beholden to investors and Sam Altman as a shareholder. The non-profit is really just vestigial. I guess technically it's supposed to play some role in making sure OpenAI "benefits humanity". But as we've seen multiple times, whenever that g…

Scam Altman strikes again!

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by lenerdenator »

Are you meaning to tell me that the whole nonprofit thing was just a shtick to get people to think that this generation of SV "founders" was going to save the world, for real this time guys?

I'm shocked. Shocked!

I better stock up on ways of disrupting computational machinery and communications from a distance. They'll build SkyNet if it means more value for shareholders.

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by nikcub »

addedlovely wrote: post #56

In that case, where can I apply for my licensing fee for my content they have scraped and trained on. List of crawlers for those who now want to block: https://platform.openai.com/docs/bots

might as well do the full list:

https://github.com/ai-robots-txt/ai.robots.txt/blob/main/rob...

cloudflare have a button for this:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/declaring-your-aindependence-blo...

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by evilfred »

johnwheeler wrote: post #125
lioeters wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scraping the entire internet for training data without regard for copyright or attribution - specifically to use for generative AI to produce similar content for profit. How this is being allowed to happen legally is baffling. It does suit the modus operandi of a number of American companies that start out as literally illegal/criminal operations until they get big and rich enough to pay a fine for their youthful mis…

To me this is a no brainer. If it’s a choice between having AI and not,

we already have lots of AI. this is about having plagiarization machines or not.

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by jjulius »

bbor wrote: post #102
neilv wrote: post #66

The incremental transformation from non-profit to for-profit... does anyone have legal standing to sue? Early hires, who were lured there by the mission? Donors? People who were supposed to be served by the non-profit (everyone)? Some government regulator?

This is the most important question, IMO! ChatGPT says that employees and donors would have to show that they were defrauded (lied to), which IMO wouldn’t exactly be hard given the founding documents. But the real power falls to the government, both state (Delaware presumably…?) and federal. It mentions the IRS, but AFAIU the DoJ itself could easily bring litigation based on defrauding the government. Hell, maybe thr…

Genuinely curious because I have no idea how any of this works...

Would the founding documents actually count as proof of a lie? I feel like the defense could easily make the argument that the documents accurately represented their intent at the time, but as time went on they found that it made more sense to change.

It seems like, if the founding documents were to be proof of a lie, you'd have to have corresponding proof that the documents were intentionally written to mislead people.

Re: OpenAI to become for-profit company

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Post by allie1 »

tsimionescu wrote: post #61
allie1 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We haven't even heard about who gets voting shares, and what voting power will be like. Based on their character, I expect them to remain consistent in this regard.

Consistent here meaning, I guess, that all voting power will go to Sam Altman personally, right?

yeah, split with Microsoft.
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