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Post by AI_beffr »

tbrownaw wrote: post #166
AI_beffr wrote: post #160

its interesting that martin scorsese and chris rock both claim that they were essentially raised by television sets. i would say that i was co-parented by a television at least. i would say that it contributed to a blunted, unrealistic understanding of the real world and human relationships. my world view now is that children shouldnt watch television or movies and that they should be immersed in real human relations…

What's a growing kid to do when they start encountering situations outside the training distribution? At least with movies and novels they'll have a few synthetic data points instead of just nothing.

i would rather them have nothing and learn than fill in that gap with something really counterproductive. a fake personality.

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Post by caseyy »

throwanem wrote: post #28
ehnto wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well said, something I had not yet put to words. It came up on HN recently, about how work is a place where it can be best to leave some things unsaid, because it invites assumptions about your character and capabilities that might not be true, or positive.

That isn't even unreasonable as a cultural norm, although it is that those who most firmly enforce it also cherish silly habits like saying "bring your whole self to work." The expectation of not oversharing needs to be met by a commitment of not over- asking, but I suppose that's really too much to expect in an age so degraded that all the obligations across lines of social class are understood to run in only one di…

> although it is that those who most firmly enforce it also cherish silly habits like saying "bring your whole self to work."

It is my understanding that about 50% of the cultural values companies prescribe to their teams are values they don't want to see adopted. Speaking up when something is wrong, open door policies, and work-life balance are the usual suspects. Continuous learning and development are also values that employees are often invited to practice, though not when there's work to do!

It's all aggrandizement with very little critical thinking about how these policies and values would actually change the workplace. And the companies often hate when they do.

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Post by dools »

pityJuke wrote: post #63

I’m glad this author had an endearing experience. I can’t say that I did. I’d blame “being raised on the internet” as a consistent contributor to a lot of negatives in my life. Certainly, I picked up a lot of the rage from people in the IRC circles I ran with, and like a parrot exhibited it in my personal life. Beyond that, the general degradation of IRL social skills. I can say my life took a significant upturn once…

Perhaps the emphasis should be on being raised by Linux.

I think that using FreeBSD and in particular the mailing lists was as important to my engineering as my university education was.

The chat rooms I frequented on freenode generally had a ## and were filled with responsible and reasonable people.

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Post by TZubiri »

sethammons wrote: post #154
TZubiri wrote: post #136

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One of the things that bit me is one of those anti-system videos where they tell you not to speak to police or whatever. Turns out it's better just to say "hi officer, yes officer, no officer" than spending the night in jail for absolutely no reason other than "the internet taught me how to react to police answering questions." A more harmless example is when I read that the best way to clean cooking oil spills was t…

I fear you missed something in the don't talk to cops speech. https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?si=fhqbLEK3jypnK-k0 Human nature may be to help. It is always a risk to talk to officers. If you are being obstinate, prepare for someone with an authority complex to sit on you. Be also ready for that same person to sit on you for no reason and twist anything you say into a problem. Just don't give them ammo against you.

Biggest thing I missed is that I don't live in the US.

Even if I lived in the US, and the times I visited, I'm still disregarding most of the recommendations. It feels more like these people are making political statements of what should be and recruiting me and other viewers to help move towards that ideal.

Especially they want regular citizens to do this shit so that everyone has plausible deniability. The issue is that I strictly want to differentiate myself from criminals, in my experience any of these movements or technologies like Tor, cryptocurrency, pool me with people doing really bad shit.

If I'm in the US with a visa, and someone asks for my ID, I will show it to them, I will not shield illegal immigrants by refusing to show my visa. I will no longer do that in my country either, I literally thought "what if a Venezuelan was walking down these streets and the police stopped them, I must shield them by not revealing my identity" Fuck that, not my problem, here's my ID, officer.

Similarly if police ask me what I'm doing at 2 am, I will now tell them that I was working and there was an incident with the server at 2 am. I will no longer shield criminals that may be up to no good at 2 am in my neighbourhood, i will make the cop's job easy.

If my bank asks me for documentation of my business I will give it to them. If my ISP wants to see what servers I'm contacting for my porn, they may check my DNS requests and see that it's not a child pornography distributor. That's fine.

It's ok, take your tinfoil hats on. Use your judgment instead of listening to online extremists with an agenda. (Getting regular people to act like criminals so that criminals associations and behaviours can appear as legitimate)

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Post by TZubiri »

ls612 wrote: post #164
TZubiri wrote: post #129

https://xkcd.com/1311/ "The twenty-first century baby is destined to be rocked and cradled by electricty, warmed and coddled by electricity, perhaps fathered and mothered by electricity. Probably the only thing he will left to do unaidad will be to make love." Mrs. John Lane, The fortnightly 1905

She wasn't wrong at all though.

visionary

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Post by ipaddr »

lukan wrote: post #106
kragen wrote: post #62

> I am certain they never intended to inspire a 12 year-old kid to find a better life. i can't speak for everyone, but as one of the people writing tutorials and faqs and helping people learn to do things with free software during the period miller is talking about, that is absolutely what i intended to do. and, from the number of people i knew who were excited to work on olpc, conectar igualdad , and huayra linux, i…

"the internet was a gift economy, like burning man: people giving away things of value to all comers because if you don't do that maybe it's because you can't. the good parts of it still are" But it feels like more and more are taken over by money from advertisement. It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit.

People were running adsense and Amazon affilates in 2004. I visited many websites who would let you spin a wheel and send you a check if you won. Browsers would pay you to surf. Money was a big factor and you would have to go pre dot.com or the bbs world to find it. Geocities had ads. Punch the monkey was everywhere.

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Post by rectang »

lukan wrote: post #106
kragen wrote: post #62

> I am certain they never intended to inspire a 12 year-old kid to find a better life. i can't speak for everyone, but as one of the people writing tutorials and faqs and helping people learn to do things with free software during the period miller is talking about, that is absolutely what i intended to do. and, from the number of people i knew who were excited to work on olpc, conectar igualdad , and huayra linux, i…

"the internet was a gift economy, like burning man: people giving away things of value to all comers because if you don't do that maybe it's because you can't. the good parts of it still are" But it feels like more and more are taken over by money from advertisement. It is allways a relieve to me, find a site in the old spirit.

It feels to me like the old lovingly curated and crafted internet sites are being pillaged and displaced by a wave of AI regurgitations — with the cheerleading of "information wants to be free" advocates.

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Post by DaoVeles »

pushupentry1219 wrote: post #119

As someone of the younger generation, I think "raised by the internet" these days is extremely toxic and non-productive not at all what the author here is talking about in this lovely post. When someone says "I was raised by the internet", I immediately think: social media addiction, 4chan and other online obscenities. But this is completely based on my own personal experience. My point here is not related to this lo…

That is a very fair assumption nowadays. I was not raised by the internet simply because I could not afford to even have it in the home until I was in my early 20's. Still remember the weeks after youtube being launched! The internet was that thing I had 30 minute chunks of from the local library. So it was always at arms length. Something that felt like a negative then might have been a positive in a way. The internet was this very positive force, a tool not an obsession for many.

I do worry about those nowadays that are "raised by the internet". I see the stream of influence that social media is having and I have to remember than for many people, this is all they have ever known of the internet. There is no other context. Many viewing this stuff are smart folks, but when that stream of media becomes like the air, many can be tugged in all manner of directions and now even realize it.

In the same manner of drugs, try not to turn them into a diet. The internet is a wonderful tool but a questionable 'way of life'.

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Post by sweeter »

kragen wrote: post #62

> I am certain they never intended to inspire a 12 year-old kid to find a better life. i can't speak for everyone, but as one of the people writing tutorials and faqs and helping people learn to do things with free software during the period miller is talking about, that is absolutely what i intended to do. and, from the number of people i knew who were excited to work on olpc, conectar igualdad , and huayra linux, i…

I also write tutorials and guides on my tiny blog because other people have inspired me with their writing. I have great memories of trying to answer a question about some obscure Unix or programming thing, only to come across some minimalist 90s style blog that had already explored those ideas. it's such a vibe when you are in the zone at 2am digging through the internet and using that resource to bang out some code.

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Post by rescbr »

AlienRobot wrote: post #169
photonthug wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the long long ago before social media and amongst a certain type of people, the answer to “where are you from?” would be something like “the internet”, and the connotations were positive. It meant that you were from a small shitty place that nobody ever heard of, but you had transcended those humble origins to become a being of pure information, sharing thoughts, philosophy and maybe code with other similar beings…

I'm from the Internet :-) I think the problem is that there is a huge number of people now whose only contact with the Internet has been social media. For them, that is where the Internet begins and where it ends. They'll use Reddit and not call it a "website" but an "app," because they have "installed" Reddit on their smartphones. It doesn't help that most online forums have become subreddits, and that Google will s…

I’m also from the Internet :)

I miss that cozy weird familiar and insane place.

OTOH, 20 years ago my only concern was school and I had the energy to pull all-nighters. Now I have to pay my bills.

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