I am shocked that no one is talking about Teletext! I am guessing it wasn’t a thing in US or I am the oldest person to comment so far? I had forgotten that Teletext existed until this post. And for those who know about BBSs, Teletext was the closest thing before modems. I don’t remember seeing the wild Teletext Ascii art etc. as seen in the post though. UK seems to have had mad Teletext.
I have 2000 old VHS tapes in my garage and don't know what to do with them
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Re: I have 2000 old VHS tapes in my garage and don't know what to do with them
#172It can become a compulsion to record and collect media. Seems like a male thing, normally it's blokes who create these archives. I met a bloke once in the 90's who made recordings on to C-90 tapes of anything interesting that was on BBC Radio 4 and 3, and he found most things interesting. He was surrounded by piles, thousands of tapes everywhere and he was desperately trying to catalog everything. As I spoke to him h…
>Ultimately, having and keeping stuff just weighs you down. This, so much this! We should own nothing. Then we'll be happy!
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#173I often asked myself, and so did just a few days ago, we archive so much of the internet. Just look at how huge the internet archive is, but do we actually need to do that? Why would we need all of that to save "the contents for posterity"? On the one hand I do believe that there might be some bits which might be nice to have in 50 years, but we generate so incredibly much content and it only gets more. Shouldn't we…
How else are they going to simulate everything in the future with incredible detail?
Yes, I often find all the retro stuff really cool and it's nice what was done with such little hardware, back in the days, but do we really need that? I doubt it. Yes, save the fundamentals, save part of the history, but not everything
Re: I have 2000 old VHS tapes in my garage and don't know what to do with them
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
except there is a limit because each drive holds a limited amount of data because it is physical media. And you can argue cloud storage but they have a limit as well as price.
With current storage technology, it's almost impossible for physical media size or price to become relevant, the human's ability to add to the collection just can't keep up, unless there are some truly extreme conditions, like they automate the collecting, or insist on uncompressed video.
I suppose even DVR platforms such as MythTV recording off of TV would be excluded here, as per your 'automated'... although it's a bit of a grey area, VCRs could be automated, but not really without changing the tape in a home setting.
Another grey area is more detailed "collecting", such as older video/audio, rarer stuff which does often disappear from torrent sites and such. An example being old TV series recorded direct from TV, to tape -> digitized. But even this, with personal intervention at each collection event, fits in terms of it being hard to fill up drives.
Really, preservation is the cost. Primary live/online, along with a RAID method (hardware over software raid typically) capable of per-disk patrol reads and overall raid consistency checks are vital*. Checksums of all files are a requirement too, and an offline secondary server with a full backup synced every so often.
Otherwise bitrot sets in, and you don't know. Either at the disk level, the raid level, or the filesystem level. And that's where the secondary comes in.
Of course, that doesn't help in case of explosions, aliens, or fire. One needs a secondary offsite for that. But my point is, actual real archival isn't simple.
* if you have a raid, even software raid and you're not doing patrol reads and consistency checks regularly, you're not really doing it right. LSI cards tend to require patrol reads and consistency checks set on, and consistency checks schedules (say, Sundays).
And of course if you don't have a script to dump megacli logs to syslog or what not, you don't really know if the raid is having issues. And you don't even know if consistency checks and patrol reads are running.
(In LSI terminology, patrol reads scan entire disks individually, looking for block read errors, and if found, that block is re-written from redundant data in the array. Consistency checks look at the status of the raid, especially checksums of all disks per virtual disk block. Different checks, both required.)
Re: I have 2000 old VHS tapes in my garage and don't know what to do with them
#175I am shocked that no one is talking about Teletext! I am guessing it wasn’t a thing in US or I am the oldest person to comment so far? I had forgotten that Teletext existed until this post. And for those who know about BBSs, Teletext was the closest thing before modems. I don’t remember seeing the wild Teletext Ascii art etc. as seen in the post though. UK seems to have had mad Teletext.
I think most of the TV stations in germany still have it. At least the big ones. And it's still filled with mostly ads.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unluckily, that means there's no physical check on it to prompt you to stop like physical media has.
But if there isn't an issue with it, why stop?
Re: I have 2000 old VHS tapes in my garage and don't know what to do with them
#177It can become a compulsion to record and collect media. Seems like a male thing, normally it's blokes who create these archives. I met a bloke once in the 90's who made recordings on to C-90 tapes of anything interesting that was on BBC Radio 4 and 3, and he found most things interesting. He was surrounded by piles, thousands of tapes everywhere and he was desperately trying to catalog everything. As I spoke to him h…
I will one day be inheriting this lot, and have no damned idea what I’m going to do with them.
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#178AI solves this. Get AI to consume the lot and store it somewhere. Then, in the future, query the AI to find out if a specific piece of footage (that you need) is contained therein.
I can't tell if this is satire or not. Have you considered storing it on the blockchain instead, so this way it is immutable and permanent? /s
That way the content can be monetized using Bitcoin as the payment backbone.
You laugh, but all TV will work this way in the future. Micropayments. Think Grameen, but for Video Clips.
Re: I have 2000 old VHS tapes in my garage and don't know what to do with them
#179I often asked myself, and so did just a few days ago, we archive so much of the internet. Just look at how huge the internet archive is, but do we actually need to do that? Why would we need all of that to save "the contents for posterity"? On the one hand I do believe that there might be some bits which might be nice to have in 50 years, but we generate so incredibly much content and it only gets more. Shouldn't we…
Re: I have 2000 old VHS tapes in my garage and don't know what to do with them
#180It can become a compulsion to record and collect media. Seems like a male thing, normally it's blokes who create these archives. I met a bloke once in the 90's who made recordings on to C-90 tapes of anything interesting that was on BBC Radio 4 and 3, and he found most things interesting. He was surrounded by piles, thousands of tapes everywhere and he was desperately trying to catalog everything. As I spoke to him h…
The thing about archives is that it's never clear what will turn out to be important or valuable. You're buying and storing a pile of lottery tickets. Yes, they're probably worthless. But only probably.
I suspect a lot of people's thinking is informed by the long saga of missing Doctor Who episodes, too.
Edit: here's today's "keep forever" thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41665593
Myself, I hoard in moderation and don't even have a home media server.