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Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by bomewish »

dimensi0nal wrote: post #57
nashashmi wrote: post #23

What are the chances of wayback machine removing snapshots? I found an article on something that is far too taboo to talk about these days that was removed from the newspaper after having it there for more than 5 years. Out of public pressure.

If it's important, it should go in archive.is. Sites have always been able to remove their own content from Wayback Machine.

Archive.is seems even sketchier doesn’t it? Who is paying for all that? Total mystery. I wouldn’t be surprised if it just vanished one day. I feel like the solution is some version of local personal archive + zenodo plus those others.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by crazygringo »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #103
naet wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It adds up over time. I used and liked Google domains for a bunch of websites, and was disappointed when that was axed and all my domains moved to squarespace (and have since transferred them all out). I used the Google podcast app on my phone, and that was killed and replaced by YouTube music which is a horrible replacement. I used to buy in heavily to the Google ecosystem and trust it as a pretty solid go to option…

It became apparent they are a zombie company once I realized I no longer put any brainspace into learning new functionality/tools Google offered. They are a corporation living off the corpse of who they have been. Total zombie company that doesn't realize it's dead yet. What was the last new Google anything you added to your daily life? Instead of adding Google Quickshare to share files from my PC to Android I use Mi…

> What was the last new Google anything you added to your daily life?

Gemini. Maybe you prefer ChatGPT, but either way the product category is a huge improvement to daily life for a lot of people. And transformers were invented at Google.

And Waymo is on its way to being huge. Might eventually make Google more money than everything it's done before.

As far as I can tell, innovation seems alive and well at Google. But a lot of their product categories are simply "mature" by now -- you're not going to see some wild transformation of YouTube, or Docs and Drive, or Android. Same as you're not seeing some wild reinvention of Apple Music, or iCloud, or iOS.

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Post by optymizer »

rustdeveloper wrote: post #164

This is a terrible news :( I know it was an option for web scraping and I used in once. I’m curious what is the real reason they took it down.

I have seen a push in the past year or so for saving storage across Google products. Caching the Internet takes a lot of storage. I suspect that's why they've removed it.

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Post by anonymousab »

Gud wrote: post #135
DaoVeles wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do worry about the future of IA. Simply because of some of their reckless moves with their book lending policy, they have opened themselves up to being bleed dry financially. That plus the amount of copyright infringement openly available on the site is just waiting to be attacked. I am waiting for Nintendo to get wind of the huge ROM dumps on there, it is not going to pretty. No manner of 'moral high ground' will…

I disagree. I am happy the Internet Archive are fighting the draconian copy right laws that exist.

They aren't really fighting it, because they never picked a winnable battle.

Rather, they overextended themselves massively in a blunder akin to just throwing themselves on their enemy's sword. They decided to go all-or-nothing on uncontrolled digital lending when there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell that the current laws would give them any wiggle room. And unsurprisingly, it will give them a mortal wound.

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Post by lolinder »

Gud wrote: post #135
DaoVeles wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do worry about the future of IA. Simply because of some of their reckless moves with their book lending policy, they have opened themselves up to being bleed dry financially. That plus the amount of copyright infringement openly available on the site is just waiting to be attacked. I am waiting for Nintendo to get wind of the huge ROM dumps on there, it is not going to pretty. No manner of 'moral high ground' will…

I disagree. I am happy the Internet Archive are fighting the draconian copy right laws that exist.

They risked one of the greatest public goods in the history of humanity on a battle that everyone knew they would lose.

That's not an admirable underdog fight and it's not a glorious martyrdom, it's at best a naive slip up and at worst an ignoble organizational suicide attempt.

Change isn't going to happen because people recklessly throw themselves against the draconian laws and get annihilated by them—it will happen when people strategically set up a battle that they can win or persuade Congress to fix it.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

HeatrayEnjoyer wrote: post #139
Gud wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I am happy the Internet Archive are fighting the draconian copy right laws that exist.

But the arena for that fight is legislation. Weed didn't become legal through lawsuits, it became legal because laws were repealed. I hope IA prevails but it's long shot, even more with the Heritage infestation of the courts.

Everyone just ignoring bad laws and contradicting them can remove laws too. But of course this is a niche topic that would never get such broad support.

A lot of people smoking weed is certainly a component for the prohibition to fail at some point.

Writing mails to legislative members isn't enough if you don't have any form of leverage.

Re: Google Cache is fully dead

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Post by HelloNurse »

brookst wrote: post #60
nixosbestos wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thinking LLMs are anyone's salvation in the fact of Dead Internet Theory has to most the most incomprehensible thing I've read on this site. Maybe ever.

Why?

Because there are clear symptoms of, for example, Dead Instagram and Dead Facebook with desperate algorithms serving pathetic LLM-generated sludge. The contagion spreads.
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