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Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE of 8, IQ 170+, did absurdly well at High School. Am diagnosed ASD (at 50 years old) , have a psych friend say I'm ADHD but untestable. I've had incredible highs (University Medal for example) in between various crises. My life is pretty shit, and I'll die alone. It took me a very very long time to learn to have nothing to do with family. You're doing better than I am at this time.

What makes you think you will die alone? I know many that have said that and have had late life turn around, but a big part of it is just being ok with yourself. The good, the bad, everything in between. The marbled reality that is you. To be like the trees that curve and twist and bend, flourish in one spot but drop leaves and branches in another.

It is not easy but it can be done. While the wake of the past can be turbulent, it is just that in the past. You can be aware of it, moved by it but remember you are the boat now that makes the wake. Don't deny the past, merely accept it as something that has happened, it does not need to dominate the time that you have.

Also seeing a therapist/counseling can be very helpful in this. Don't try to do this alone even if it can be difficult to bring yourself to do it! The anxiety of what it is like is far stronger than the actual event.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 0. Feels abnormal looking at everyone here. I don't consider myself that successful. Very average or below in career and also extremely below average in life outside of work. Not very many friends, never been in a relationship (I'm old). Maybe some trauma really is needed in your childhood to produce more drive. I'm wondering what's the distribution of ACE.

Woah, I match every element of your description. To answer the OP directly, I'm not satisfied with my life, and from my ACE score it's obvious that I have no one else to blame but myself. The CDC website has some stats on ACE distribution [1]: > ACEs are common. About 64% of adults in the United States reported they had experienced at least one type of ACE before age 18. Nearly one in six (17.3%) adults reported they…

If Ace 0 is a minority perhaps it's normal for people to experience trauma and this trauma is necessary.

You match me in every element, perhaps this outcome is expected for ACE 0. Or it could be confirmation bias.

Any other people with ACE 0 here? What is your life like?

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 0. Feels abnormal looking at everyone here. I don't consider myself that successful. Very average or below in career and also extremely below average in life outside of work. Not very many friends, never been in a relationship (I'm old). Maybe some trauma really is needed in your childhood to produce more drive. I'm wondering what's the distribution of ACE.

So, there is something to overcoming childhood adversity. Since the rise of the modern primary system for electing US Presidents most of our Presidents had traumatic childhoods(1). It seems like most of the people who want a stadium full of people chanting their names are trying to fill the hole where parental love should have been. Of course, most people don't grow up to be President, so I don't think this isn't something that you should be optimizing for!

I think where I ultimately come down on this (and I'm a dad so I've given this a lot of thought) is that a crappy childhood is a high risk play: it might give you a slightly better chance of a really amazing outcome, but at a much greater risk of a truly terrible outcome. A happy childhood doesn't guarantee anything, none of us are guaranteed anything. But it can make truly negative outcomes less likely- though again not impossible. So all things being equal, I want my son to feel loved.

1: Just looking at the Baby Boomer presidents, and staying far away from actual politics, Clinton was born William Jefferson Blythe, his dad died in a car accident before he was even born and his mom remarried and he was adopted. GWBush had a famously withholding and demanding mother and was viewed as the family scapegoat into his 30's- JEB! was the golden child in that family, George was the family screw-up. Barack Obama wrote an entire book (when he was a campaigning for an Illinois State Senate seat, long before he thought about running for President) about how he never really had a relationship with his father and what effect that absence had on his life. Donald Trump wears much of the damage Fred Trump inflicted on him on his sleeve.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE score of 8. I’m happy, live a life I find deeply meaningful and fulfilling, don’t suffer from any depression, I have a wife and two kids. I’m the happiest I’ve ever been in my life. My teens and 20s were really rough, I spent a lot of time ruminating and just being a sourpuss. But I mostly knew I didn’t want to be like the people I’d been surrounded by when I was a kid. I got over it and stopped worrying about it…

> I use super bright lights in my home office during the winter.

I started by bouncing several shop lights off the ceiling.

That was so effective, during a remodel I recessed long LED light strips hidden behind cove molding around the whole room perimeter, to do the same. My whole ceiling is the light. An indoor sky.

No glare, just a bright summer day, every day!

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#176
ACE 7

Most of my life, until recently, I've suffered from anxiety and anger issues. I've also suffered from depression for several decades, but that luckily ended about 15 years ago. I'm 54 now.

I've changed jobs and careers many times (that's part of our profession, but I also think it's due to my trauma), I'm twice married, I don't really have many friends (although in my older age I'm realizing I like my alone time).

And yet, I am now very satisfied with my life, although this hasn't always been the case. I retired early, I have an amazing wife, and two incredible dogs. The key for me was to work extremely hard on healing myself with therapy (this took years and lots of money), never give up, try different things if something didn't work, and to not be afraid of going out of my comfort zone. Also, having another life that depends on me, like pets, really helped to get me out of focusing on my troubles and also helped to put things into perpective.

This is definitely not for everyone, but it worked for me.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#177
ACE 0, iq 125, never qualified as gifted beyond teachers and others saying "you're smart! you just need to apply yourself!"

Talking with wife and mother about my childhood made me understand that I've had untreated adhd (got diagnosed only recently, in my late 30s, now in the process of seeing if I'm also on the autism spectrum).

Life seen from the outside looks fairly okay, educated, employed, wife, kid, 3 homes, 2 cars, no mortgage.

From the inside: depressed and chaotic, self hatred, lethargic, I can't ever remember wanting to be here, and always finding external reasons to stay, first I didn't want my parents to get sad, now I don't want to fail my wife and kid. But so far, this life has been for others, no myself. I'm not suicidal, I just don't find it particularity thrilling to be alive, it seems like a lot of trouble for very little reward.

So in short, I'm not satisfied with my life, and it's not really depending on external factors, just the way my brain is wired.

I remember in particular an episode where I was 5 or 6 years old and I asked my dad, "why are we even alive? what's the point?" he got mad (I concluded at the time, because he didn't know either, but in retrospect, might have been because it might have sounded like a dark or provocative thing to ask for, but it was an honest question).

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

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ACE 7. I feel good about some parts of my life, but mostly I hate it. I miss human connection deeply, but I don't see any path to having it in my life after my relationship of a year ended. I feel disconnected from my upbringing and like I don't know how to function as a white collar worker, and I constantly feel like I don't deserve what I have now as an engineer. I love my cat and my family though, and doing computer graphics for a living is a dream come true in a lot of ways.

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#179
ACE 10, currently in my late 30s. Severe clinical depression and anxiety throughout life, many associated issues around that. Psychopath father, borderline mother. Alcohol and drug issues. Siblings have not fared well and have life outcomes that follow what you would expect. These sort of experiences destroy lives before they begin.

Have faced serious issues with dissociation, and have complex PTSD. Still working on it, it's not a smooth ride but have made progress. Had a lot of issues to work on and have changed significantly over the years. There have been highs and lows.

I've managed to have some success with relationships and life goals in spite of it. With the right support, time, and considerable effort things are improving.

I think a lot of people here have similar experiences. Intelligence is a protective factor that gives you the ability to skip your life script, but it's a difficult journey. The only people I know who suffered severe childhood trauma and recovered are above average intelligence.

Autism, ADHD, and a staggering range of other mental and physical issues have causal links with childhood trauma. For many kids, a diagnosis of ADHD is a nice way of saying "your home environment is abusive and illegal, but saying that is problematic. You live in a hellhole and for some reason can't pay attention. Here's a pill."

Re: Ask HN: Former gifted children with hard lives, how did you turn out?

#180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Woah, I match every element of your description. To answer the OP directly, I'm not satisfied with my life, and from my ACE score it's obvious that I have no one else to blame but myself. The CDC website has some stats on ACE distribution [1]: > ACEs are common. About 64% of adults in the United States reported they had experienced at least one type of ACE before age 18. Nearly one in six (17.3%) adults reported they…

If Ace 0 is a minority perhaps it's normal for people to experience trauma and this trauma is necessary. You match me in every element, perhaps this outcome is expected for ACE 0. Or it could be confirmation bias. Any other people with ACE 0 here? What is your life like?

> If Ace 0 is a minority

I don't think it is. In developed nations I'd guess that 0 is probably the majority (maybe 0, 1 and 2). The internet isn't the best place for these kinds of statistics. If they where everyone would be depressed, have contemplated or attempted suicide, have anxiety and a host of mental problems.

There is new research that suggests that talking about problem like depression may in fact cause depression and the internet is amazing at propagating the idea that all sorts of mental issue are something that everyone encounters.

My score was 0 and I have a happy, if middle class life and wonderful family. Stressful at times, but mostly not. It's also not terribly exciting, but that suites me.

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