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Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by sheepdestroyer »

amelius wrote: post #147
Freak_NL wrote: post #130

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> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats [sic] fine, […] How is that 'fine'? I would like to see a future where someone doing sex work to make ends meet (or even as a freely chosen profession!) is not ostracised for it. Sex is part of society whether you want it or not, and so is paying for sexual acts.

It's fine because otherwise we'd evolve into the social structure of Bonobo monkeys, where every problem is solved with sex.

Not following why that, if true, would make the current situation better ("fine").

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Post by k33jf33l2 »

habinero wrote: post #139
lynx23 wrote: post #125

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> She's a person, same as me.

That line of reasoning tends to break down pretty quickly. Unless you're truly special, there are probably people out there who've done something so awful that you wouldn't date them despite the fact that they're "a person, same as me".

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Post by achenet »

bad_user wrote: post #142
Freak_NL wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats [sic] fine, […] How is that 'fine'? I would like to see a future where someone doing sex work to make ends meet (or even as a freely chosen profession!) is not ostracised for it. Sex is part of society whether you want it or not, and so is paying for sexual acts.

I would like to see a future where people shouldn't have to prostitute themselves to make ends meet. Some cultural norms are outdated, but prostitution is still degrading and dangerous for those practicing it, especially for the women; who may not be doing so willingly, prostitution being the main incentive for human trafficking. And the online medium doesn't change that by much. Some people may be willing to pay for…

> prostitution is still degrading and dangerous for those practicing it, especially for the women;

degrading: no. I've met prostitutes who very much like their work and find it empowering

dangerous: ...yes, because it's illegal and they don't have access to proper legal protection.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by dachworker »

tonymet wrote: post #2

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It's not safer in any way, at all. The prostitutes are not transitioning to OF. They are using it as a promotional mechanism. So you have not really eliminated the risk for them. In addition to that you have young people who would have never dared to do porn, and you lower the bar enough for them, so that they are now tempted to ruin their dignity.

And finally, the human traffickers like Andrew Tate now have a new platform that allows them to practice their human trafficking from the relative safety of countries like Romania or Ukraine, where the chance that they will be caught and prosecuted is quite low. There have already been cases where multiple OF creators were found to be human trafficking victims working for a pimp.

Don't believe the whole pinkwashing narrative. OF is twice the pimping, making is safer for human traffickers to enslave and profit off women than ever before.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by k33jf33l2 »

chasontherobot wrote: post #134
llm_trw wrote: post #129

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>When (AI is) mentioned it has a negative correlation. I have an llm inference rig that I enjoy on the weekends and the problem for the first time in my life is that I have supernormal stimulus which doesn't seem to reduce in potency the more I use it. It's gotten to the point where I don't visit porn sites any more because the locally generated material is better than what I can find there, and these are just the fi…

> I have an llm inference rig that I enjoy on the weekends and the problem for the first time in my life it that I have supernormal stimulus which doesn't seem to reduce in potency the more I use it. I have no idea what this sentence means

He's jerking off to the output of a stats library and can't help wondering if/when it'll lose its luster.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by jdasdf »

ht85 wrote: post #166
lynx23 wrote: post #122

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Well, those civilians who can think for themselves, especially about the consequences of their actions, are clearly in advantage. I am lacking empathy for those who are apparently so hooked up to the here-and-now that they seem to ignore the future. If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats fine, societies have all sorts of norms we all need to learn.

> I am lacking empathy for those who are apparently so hooked up to the here-and-now A large amount of those people are very young, at an age where you don't really pick your options solely on their super long term consequences. Most people are going to be "stupid" in their early adulthood, failing and adjusting is a big part of it. Unfortunately, some of those decisions will stick more than others and sex work is ve…

>A large amount of those people are very young, at an age where you don't really pick your options solely on their super long term consequences.

And they will continue to be if there are never any consequences.

Stop bailing people out of problems they make for themselves and people will start learning to not make those problems.

Human beings are not stupid machines who see others put their hand in the fire, getting burned, then they put their own hands in the fire get burned, and then keep doing it over and over again.

Most will stop when they see others get burned, others still will stop when they get burned, and a small minority will stop once there is no hand left to burn.

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Post by medo-bear »

Freak_NL wrote: post #130
lynx23 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, those civilians who can think for themselves, especially about the consequences of their actions, are clearly in advantage. I am lacking empathy for those who are apparently so hooked up to the here-and-now that they seem to ignore the future. If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats fine, societies have all sorts of norms we all need to learn.

> If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats [sic] fine, […] How is that 'fine'? I would like to see a future where someone doing sex work to make ends meet (or even as a freely chosen profession!) is not ostracised for it. Sex is part of society whether you want it or not, and so is paying for sexual acts.

I would certainly not like to live in a future where selling your body to make ends meet is considered normal. To me it is already concerning that normalization of prostitution is happening to some extent in mass media.

Sex is in all (?) human cultures viewed as most intimate and private expression of civilized love. It is also how we teach our kids about sex. Pornography and prostitution serve only our primal desires which goes against all this. Does it really surprise you that society will shun people that partake in these things? To me it is obvious as day.

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Post by jpsouth »

chasontherobot wrote: post #134
llm_trw wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>When (AI is) mentioned it has a negative correlation. I have an llm inference rig that I enjoy on the weekends and the problem for the first time in my life is that I have supernormal stimulus which doesn't seem to reduce in potency the more I use it. It's gotten to the point where I don't visit porn sites any more because the locally generated material is better than what I can find there, and these are just the fi…

> I have an llm inference rig that I enjoy on the weekends and the problem for the first time in my life it that I have supernormal stimulus which doesn't seem to reduce in potency the more I use it. I have no idea what this sentence means

I read it as they have a powerful enough machine to generate weekend material that doesn’t seem to degrade in user experience or satisfaction (i.e get boring over time) which you may experience when enjoying ‘normal’ weekend activities.

Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by [deleted] »

lynx23 wrote: post #122
braza wrote: post #118

Not a moralistic take, but one issue that interests me is the second-order impacts associated with the long tail of producers in OF who do not make a career from it. With traditional adult entertainment, creators are aware of the social ramifications (e.g., social stigma, familial ostracism, difficulty dealing with the future, and so on), and there is a decent theoretical economic framework to measure that. I am not…

Well, those civilians who can think for themselves, especially about the consequences of their actions, are clearly in advantage. I am lacking empathy for those who are apparently so hooked up to the here-and-now that they seem to ignore the future. If you sell your body, most societies will punish you. Thats fine, societies have all sorts of norms we all need to learn.

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Re: Breaking Down OnlyFans' Economics

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Post by medo-bear »

achenet wrote: post #173
bad_user wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to see a future where people shouldn't have to prostitute themselves to make ends meet. Some cultural norms are outdated, but prostitution is still degrading and dangerous for those practicing it, especially for the women; who may not be doing so willingly, prostitution being the main incentive for human trafficking. And the online medium doesn't change that by much. Some people may be willing to pay for…

> prostitution is still degrading and dangerous for those practicing it, especially for the women; degrading: no. I've met prostitutes who very much like their work and find it empowering dangerous: ...yes, because it's illegal and they don't have access to proper legal protection.

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