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The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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Re: The vagus nerve orchestrates the mind-body connection

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The other side is that AI can learn every last bit of information from all CT scans, operating room video recordings (and more) in the world with no rest or sleep, and with 100% diligence

But our current "AI" isn't Intelligent and it doesn't learn.

It does learn and it's great at mimicking. Don't ask it to perform the operation, ask it to fill in the gaps.

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Surprised to find a bunch of anesthesiologists hanging around here. How come?

Last time I counted there were three or four of us, but bookofjoe is a prolific reader and poster courtesy of being retired. We have a lot of down time during the day, just in very short increments. Thus the stereotype that we’re all crossword/Sudoku nerds. HN is something you can pick up and put down in a moment. Also, I have always thought of the job as a sort of human engineering, or a big physiology lab. Programm…

"I have always thought of the job as a sort of human engineering, or a big physiology lab."

I like this. I used to tell med students doing a month-long rotation that the specialty could be described as a combination of applied physiology/applied chemistry/applied anatomy with the great thing being you get to find out if you were right in the moment/that day, rather than having to wait days/weeks/months/forever to learn if you had done the right things.

P.S. I majored in political science

P.P.S. ChatGPT-4o just told me that "The use of nerve stimulators for brachial plexus blocks became more widespread in the late 1970s and 1980s."

I never used a nerve stimulator — or US — for brachial plexus blocks during my career (I retired in 2015). I guess I was just so used to doing it the way I learned back in the Dark Ages that as long as I got good results, I kept on keeping on.

Also, if you're doing a locum in some backwoods hospital in a small town in Virginia, you're unlikely to find a working nerve stimulator, much less a portable ultrasound.

I suppose this is why they have a mandatory retirement age for airline pilots.

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Multiple options, including: attend medical school; become employed by an anatomy farm. As for "chance of being hacked apart," anybody can donate their cadaver to science — most facilities require prior enrollment and will recover the corpse, nationwide. You might end up sold into scientific experimentation... if you're morbidly obese (e.g.) you won't be used for student anatomy (if you care).

What, pray tell, is an "anatomy farm"!???

Where donated cadavers go to rot, exposed to the elements; typically observed for scientific/forensic learning purposes.

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Last time I counted there were three or four of us, but bookofjoe is a prolific reader and poster courtesy of being retired. We have a lot of down time during the day, just in very short increments. Thus the stereotype that we’re all crossword/Sudoku nerds. HN is something you can pick up and put down in a moment. Also, I have always thought of the job as a sort of human engineering, or a big physiology lab. Programm…

"I have always thought of the job as a sort of human engineering, or a big physiology lab." I like this. I used to tell med students doing a month-long rotation that the specialty could be described as a combination of applied physiology/applied chemistry/applied anatomy with the great thing being you get to find out if you were right in the moment/that day, rather than having to wait days/weeks/months/forever to lea…

Cool! Thanks for the perspective. They found a Vernitrol (basically copper kettle) at an older hospital I do a side gig at that was set up for cyclopropane and some other agent a few years ago; I pointed out that you could still do anesthesia with it today if you fixed a couple of broken pieces. Neat to look at even if it didn’t have the circular slide rule to determine through-kettle and bypass flows at each temperature.

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"I have always thought of the job as a sort of human engineering, or a big physiology lab." I like this. I used to tell med students doing a month-long rotation that the specialty could be described as a combination of applied physiology/applied chemistry/applied anatomy with the great thing being you get to find out if you were right in the moment/that day, rather than having to wait days/weeks/months/forever to lea…

Cool! Thanks for the perspective. They found a Vernitrol (basically copper kettle) at an older hospital I do a side gig at that was set up for cyclopropane and some other agent a few years ago; I pointed out that you could still do anesthesia with it today if you fixed a couple of broken pieces. Neat to look at even if it didn’t have the circular slide rule to determine through-kettle and bypass flows at each tempera…

I think you and I do/did side gigs at the same hospital aka Little Sisters of the Poor

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My vagus nerves were constantly being compressed until roughly 4 months ago, when I had bilateral Eagle's syndrome surgeries - Eagle's syndrome a hardening, calcification-ossification of ligaments that connect from the styloid process and wrap around the neck connecting to front of throat; I had played American football for all of high school and most likely the cause from reptitive injuries/trauma to the tissues. We…

My story is very similar. Have had tons of pain and muscle related problems for decades - played a ton of sports like you when i was a kid, and did a lot of physical risk-taking too (skateboarding, bmx-style biking taking them off jump-ramps...) and also had lots of injuries. On top of chronic pain, I had (and still have but is greatly reduced) muscle clenching on the left side of my body - for some reason my body on…

What is the treatment?

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I attended the Bodies Exhibit c. 2007/8, which was a bunch of deceased Chinese prisoners preserved without consent... but it was still really cool . Models of circulatory systems with plastesizers and then all other flesh removed — incredible and complex and unique-to-each-human. 2008/9 I did anatomy prosections and had an absolute blast, but ultimately did not become licensed.

Yes, a bit uncomfortable to consider the ones they have plasticized into sexual acts into eternity and the pregnant woman and fetus (and there’s a lot of intrigue into that poor lady and baby). But ultimately, the non-consensual advancement of understanding of our bodies is a deep, dark, tragic rabbit hole that goes from antiquity up to… this very moment. Don’t know what to do with the information I have discovered i…

It's even more uncomfortable to realize that there will still be non-consensuality to our advancement from our current point.

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Cool! Thanks for the perspective. They found a Vernitrol (basically copper kettle) at an older hospital I do a side gig at that was set up for cyclopropane and some other agent a few years ago; I pointed out that you could still do anesthesia with it today if you fixed a couple of broken pieces. Neat to look at even if it didn’t have the circular slide rule to determine through-kettle and bypass flows at each tempera…

I think you and I do/did side gigs at the same hospital aka Little Sisters of the Poor

Haha! No, but let’s just say that that would be a very appropriate name for its current condition.

I might reach out to you with a few tidbits you might enjoy out of HN - while this nickname isn’t sterile, I don’t want to doxx myself too easily.

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My story is very similar. Have had tons of pain and muscle related problems for decades - played a ton of sports like you when i was a kid, and did a lot of physical risk-taking too (skateboarding, bmx-style biking taking them off jump-ramps...) and also had lots of injuries. On top of chronic pain, I had (and still have but is greatly reduced) muscle clenching on the left side of my body - for some reason my body on…

You describe exactly what I experience. I can't afford to see specialists so in the past 15 years, I have taken time to listen to my body in an attempt to figure it out. It's been a long journey of self-discovery and healing but the progress I have made have been worth it. I recently discovered that I had bruxism as a child and wonder if that caused the TMJ. I also started eating dates and that helps alleviate some o…

Sorry for the late response, your message was pushed fairly low in my HN threads.

Agreed, listening to your body is really important. And, as you may already know, a key it to ask: Is this problem a secondary symptom or the source? You're always trying to find the root cause of the problem.

For instance, (am not saying this is it), but often, TMJ is caused by problems lower down, as the head/jaw naturally move in association with the pelvis (just do a google search online). May want to try doing accupressure on the pelvic floor, hips, and hamstrings to see if this helps

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