Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

old.reddit.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

171–180 of 251 posts

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

#171

Post by PaulHoule »

tdb7893 wrote: post #69
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #4

Yeah, it's time for Google to be broken up into pieces because of anti-competitive laws and really get back to making America into a capitalistic society once again.

It's hard to get more capitalistic that the owners of capital trying to build monopolies since that's what maximizes value for shareholders. Turns out "free markets" (by the econ 101 definition) are bad for capital owners so they try to have the markets be as not free as possible, I'm shocked they would do this (well, not that shocked)

See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#Definition

to note that "Capitalism" is really a technical term from Marxist theory. Advocates of capitalism will never find a definition they accept because they want to have one that encompasses all the good (of which there is plenty) and rejects the bad (of which there is also plenty)

Positing such as thing as "Capitalism" is positing that there could be some other system or that the current system could have an end. Advocates of the status quo really believe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_is_no_alternative

want to treat prosystemic economics as a science like physics or chemistry, etc.

If there is a way our system can claim to be better than others it is because we have competition in markets, politically, etc.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

#172

Post by cameldrv »

bawolff wrote: post #122
observationist wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is a megacorp - Hanlon's razor doesn't apply. Just because there's no one person twirling their mustache and mwahahaha-ing doesn't mean this isn't malicious and hostile behavior by Google. It doesn't matter even if there's no individual human at Google that intended this. What does matter is that the leadership at Google clearly doesn't do what is necessary in preventing hostile behavior as a consequence of ne…

> Google is a megacorp - Hanlon's razor doesn't apply. On the contrary, i think it applies more. The larger the group, the more stupid stuff it does.

I bet this falls into a gray area though. Maybe they’re not exactly trying to kill Firefox, they just don’t mind too much if it dies. Some programmer makes a mistake that affects Firefox and they don’t instantly revert the change because someone higher sees that the mistake is not necessarily bad for Google. Similarly testing is more lax for Firefox. If it had been Chrome, the managers would have paged 50 people to fix it ASAP, and there would be retrospectives about how their testing failed to prevent a future occurrence.

It’s like saying evolution has no purpose, it’s just random mutations, but then there is a selection process that picks non harmful and beneficial mutations, so it does go in a predictable direction.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

#173

Post by MisterTea »

markus_zhang wrote: post #45

On a side note, I have been reflecting on the impact of modern Internet contents on me for the last 12 years or so. The conclusion is, for whatever the reason, the impact is mostly negative. It would do me a great favor to simply remove Youtube, social media sites and anything similar from my life. I probably have ADHD. I rarely completed any side projects. I'm anxious most if the time, biting my fingers all the time…

> I probably have ADHD.

Very familiar with ADHD and anxiety which is extremely disruptive. I sometimes think its more of a autistic spectrum thing as there is a vivid world of thought in my head I retreat into and the real world. The anxiety part is where the self sabotage comes from as you get bad thoughts stuck in your head which puts fear into you and causes a feed-back loop of doom that leads to depression. That or you invent all sorts of "bad" fantasy outcomes or scenarios that become excuses to avoid anxiety causing things without ever attempting anything. That leads to depression.

I think the right answer is therapy and likely medication. I am currently looking for therapy but navigating the US medical system and insurance bullshit is triggering on every level causing anxiety, depression, and rage. I suppose I'll have to sacrifice my savings and pay out of pocket.

Good luck, stay strong, and remember - you can overcome it. It takes effort which for us is very very difficult.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

#174

Post by MisterTea »

MisterTea wrote: post #173
markus_zhang wrote: post #45

On a side note, I have been reflecting on the impact of modern Internet contents on me for the last 12 years or so. The conclusion is, for whatever the reason, the impact is mostly negative. It would do me a great favor to simply remove Youtube, social media sites and anything similar from my life. I probably have ADHD. I rarely completed any side projects. I'm anxious most if the time, biting my fingers all the time…

> I probably have ADHD. Very familiar with ADHD and anxiety which is extremely disruptive. I sometimes think its more of a autistic spectrum thing as there is a vivid world of thought in my head I retreat into and the real world. The anxiety part is where the self sabotage comes from as you get bad thoughts stuck in your head which puts fear into you and causes a feed-back loop of doom that leads to depression. That…

P.S. Youtube sucks and I avoid it like the plague. Video as a form of blog is crap IMO, especially if you have ADHD and so on. I just want to skim a text article and if I see enough interesting information I'll take the time to read it.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

#175

Post by kyriakos »

PaulHoule wrote: post #169
mozempthrowaway wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The perception of corruption is not without merit. Mozilla is pretty corrupt at this point. (Source: I work here). I really don’t get where this whole “the EU should fund it” idea came from and why it’s repeated so often. Why would the EU throw their tax payer money at another corrupt American corporation? Mozilla has been in bed with Google for several years, has horrible web compatibility, and is only barely still…

Then they should fork it and start a new organization. The EU and the world could have a privacy focused browser if they paid for it. If they don't they're going to always be waiting for the market to do it and it won't. Given that Mozilla wastes a lot of resources on things that are thoroughly pizzled (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofac ) a browser could be maintained for much less than the current Mozilla bu…

They can fork Chromium instead. Doesn't mean Firefox is the best base to start.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

#176

Post by genewitch »

jeroenhd wrote: post #83

Took a performance benchmark in both Firefox and Brave. Both of them are unusually slow (addons/extensions disabled, fresh profile), but Firefox especially so. Source for the huge render times seems to be desktop_polymer.js, specifically the part that's registering and setting up custom web components. Once the website loads, performance becomes a lot better. My guess is that a Polymer update made Youtube slower for…

even after load, youtube shorts (the doomscrolling section of youtube) has a 2-3 second lag between when the audio starts on a new video and when the video starts moving.

seems monopolistic. what's goin on with peertube and rumble these days

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

#177

Post by kjkjadksj »

mykowebhn wrote: post #27

I have the latest Firefox on Mac OS, and no problems for me. I pay for Youtube Premium, though. I wonder if that makes a difference.

Even with ubo I’ve been getting a flash of ads on youtube website. I might not see the ad but I will see the keyframe as well as a black loading screen for about as long as it takes for the skip button to appear on that ad. The solution was to of course pull the video directly.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

#178

Post by Reubachi »

wannacboatmovie wrote: post #124
PaulHoule wrote: post #2

Google has been degrading YouTube in Firefox for me for about six months. Where are the antitrust enforcers when you need them?

We are supposed to believe Google hires some of the most brilliant minds on the planet, but I've yet to see evidence of this. YouTube has been unusable for years and is only getting worse. When one of your flagship products is unusable for both technical people and novices alike, in my mind you have failed as a company. The front end is what the user sees and what matters. YouTube was a better product 10 years ago an…

While diminishing return products from hyper rich mega corporations is an issue, being as hyperbolically critical as possible only muddies the water and allows the slide to keep happening.

"Youtube has been unusable for years and is only getting worse." I only use FF on a work laptop, and I only use brave at home. No issues, ever. In fact, YTP is the one sub service i've paid for uninterrupted over my adult life. (shill post over.)

How can I help you get back to using youtube, and what about is getting worse that I can keep an eye on?

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

#179

Post by bmicraft »

PaulHoule wrote: post #2

Google has been degrading YouTube in Firefox for me for about six months. Where are the antitrust enforcers when you need them?

I'm always hearing that, but I've yet to see a single video load slow enough to notice. And I'm using YouTube quite a lot.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

#180

Post by Reubachi »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #60
exe34 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there's something I value, I keep my own copy.

Do you get much value out of a youtube video the second time around? If I need to figure out which screws to remove or something like that, it's probably the first and last time I'll need that particular information. If you're not also ensuring that others can access that copy then I don't really see the point.

Of the top of my head I can think of 5-10 youtube videos that have had such a profound effect on me, or I enjoyed so much, that I want them forever. This isn't counting for example videos like "how to remove a 2012 mazda 3 wheel bearing" that I have watched 4x over the last 10 years.

Like anyone else though... I won't put that into effect until it's too late, because I'm used to youtube "being there." Additionally, that's not my content to download. Even if I feel it's legally and ethically not google's....it certainly isn't legally mine.

The idea of asking individual youtubers for licenses to download their work, which by proxy is essentially Google's property, is too much for a well-meaning concious person to deal with. SO it's either youtube or uhhhhh another platform.

Post reply on HN