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Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by datavirtue »

screye wrote: post #53

A counter point on premium VR headsets. They are teleportation devices. I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears.…

I have been thinking about my first experiences in World of Warcraft in the early years. It changed me. The forests, mountains and trails were real to me and I enjoyed meeting friends and people from work in that world.

I realized the value of something like that but tweaked with different stories and contexts. I imagine elderly people being able to live a whole other life inside something like WOW instead of withering away alone as most people tend to do. You don't even need fancy AR hardware, though that wouldn't hurt and probably has better UX than banging on a keyboard.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by khazhoux »

paxys wrote: post #124
jkubicek wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best TV and movie-watching experience _if you aren't eating or drinking_. I love watching movies on my AVP, but the experience of groping for a popcorn bowl semi-blindly is enough of a turn-off that I end up just using our regular TV most of the time.

And if you don't watch stuff with your friends or family.

AVP is for when I want to binge Fallout in 2 days on a jaw dropping huge screen floating above me, when my fam has no interest in watching five minutes of it.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by 999900000999 »

talldayo wrote: post #167
loeg wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's dumber than that. Meta just wants to own an App Store and get 30% of some platform's revenue.

I'd believe that better if Meta didn't also deliberately provide a sideloading mechanism and encourage homebrew. It's a believable end-goal, but it doesn't seem to be the direction they want to go in the immediate future.

Normal people don't know how to side load.

The 5% that actually care are power users, these are the folks who buy every iteration, develop for the device, etc.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by whiterknight »

pocketarc wrote: post #8
taylodl wrote: post #2

The Vision Pro is a solution looking for a problem. This is the same problem plaguing Apple Home. It just feels very - so what? Tech nerds like it because it's "cool", but everybody else is wondering why would I ever need this thing? Personally, I think they need to be thinking of a more Apple Watch type device wearable in normal glasses frames. Something more akin to Google Glass, and yes, I'm familiar with the term…

> Or maybe these are just products we don't need? That's exactly it, they're products we don't -need-. If you already have a smartphone, that's good enough. This is the same problem that plagues the AI assistant devices - it doesn't matter what they can do, they won't replace your smartphone. Which means you're asking someone to carry (and pay for) a smartphone + an extra device. That's a big ask. It's also the reaso…

You don’t need a smart phone either. “Need” is the wrong verb when talking about consumer electronics.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by Izkata »

teddyh wrote: post #139
paxys wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm going about my day and a voice in my ear gives me context about my surroundings, identifies people and objects, answers questions, tells me which direction I need to walk in, records and live streams my POV and more, that's AR. The experience doesn't always have to be visual.

That’s a phone. You are describing a smartphone. Does this make all phones “AR” devices?

There was an app over a decade ago called Layar that used the camera, screen, and GPS for AR.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by ynniv »

gyomu wrote: post #129
salzig wrote: post #83

IMHO: the AVP is a DevKit that is sold to consumers. But more polished then the typical DevKit. But looking into the past and seeing how many people where eager to buy GoogleGlas/Oculus Devkits, why shouldn’t a brand like apple decide to push out a devkit as high price consumer device, instead of trying to keep a devkit for a upcoming product a secret? I’m still wondering what direction the product can and will take…

Because they invested billions of dollars into making said devkit and despite seeming promising the actual general usefulness of it was still extremely unclear, so it was down to 2 choices: a) kill it, or b) ship it and see what happens when the rubber meets the road. Arguably Apple has never done b) before, but then again they’ve also never poured billions into a R&D project like this before. (The only other example…

You mean 21st century Apple. Because 20th century Apple had plenty of good flops: Newton, Pippin, Macintosh TV (no, not Apple TV).

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/01/14/apples-biggest-hardware...

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by screye »

pezezin wrote: post #158
screye wrote: post #53

A counter point on premium VR headsets. They are teleportation devices. I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears.…

> I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] > It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears. It was profound. Honest question, but how much was your own brain fi…

Not sure. The other environments felt just as real.

But lake, snow and fake moon felt sterile in comparison. There is something about being at the top of mountain with clouds and the sun rising on the horizon that hits different.

> own brain filling up the experience and bringing back all those memories

Doubt it, but even if it was, I don't see this as a bad thing.

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by southernplaces7 »

screye wrote: post #53

A counter point on premium VR headsets. They are teleportation devices. I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears.…

>It was literally like being transported there.

Really? Despite the total lack of smell, taste, random atmospheric sensations against the body and also the lack of haptic feedback?

Re: Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by deisteve »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #112
numpad0 wrote: post #62

Isn't it simple why AVP isn't moving? They don't treat anime-loli-porn content, chiefly VRChat, as first class citizens, if they support those at all. Tons of people have bought and are buying Quest 2 and 3 as well as its competitors with sole intent of using it with VRChat. Don't you guys all remember that iPhoneOS had YouTube since version 1.0, before it even had App Store? Where would you think iOS would have been…

Watching the same dynamic play out in GenAI. Stability AI refused to cater to this crowd (the chief actual users of their models) and are paying like hell for it. The reality is that coomers ARE the market for a lot of GenAI, no matter how much puritans don't want to admit it.

its incredible how different the West is to Japan

the lack of judeo-christian moral nannyism hardly means a dangerous society but a peaceful one

just look at all the accusations on X and calling Japan weird and worse

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