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Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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Post by leptons » Sat, Aug 17, 2024, 5:26 PM UTC

gymbeaux wrote: post #169

leptons wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds more like your hardware/internet than it does Amazon's fault - I have never had any delay when changing address or payment method while placing an order, and I place a lot of orders on Amazon.

Fiber 2000Mbps up and down ~5ms latency It’s slow regardless of my internet connection

I timed it on my computer, in between my clicks there was about 4 seconds delay total when changing payment method and changing shipping address. Your "30 seconds" delay is definitely something specific to your computing platform. Maybe try upgrading your Pentium 1 computer?

Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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Post by gymbeaux » Sun, Aug 18, 2024, 5:09 AM UTC

leptons wrote: post #171

gymbeaux wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fiber 2000Mbps up and down ~5ms latency It’s slow regardless of my internet connection

I timed it on my computer, in between my clicks there was about 4 seconds delay total when changing payment method and changing shipping address. Your "30 seconds" delay is definitely something specific to your computing platform. Maybe try upgrading your Pentium 1 computer?

Do I break your balls too and say “I’ve never had any delay” and “there was about 4 seconds delay” are mutually-exclusive?

Do I break your balls further by pointing out there was never a “Pentium 1” CPU?

Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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Post by musicale » Sun, Aug 18, 2024, 7:16 AM UTC

moffkalast wrote: post #87

bluGill wrote: post #29

One button mouse was one of the worst inventions. Mice need at least 3 buttons to be useful. You sometimes need to select something and sometimes you need to launch it. Or you need to select in several different ways. Because of this miss-invention they had to invent the double-click and all the complexity of timing (try making double click for someone old an nearing senile and someone young and fast with the same ti…

It's the epitome of design over function. Destroying UX entirely so the mouse can look a tiny bit more sleek. Nothing more Apple than that I guess.

As other commenters have noted, it was from actual user testing, and from the experience of the Xerox alumni. Definitely the right call in 1983.

Today of course Apple uses trackpads with "zero" buttons (though the trackpad is clickable in various ways) and a lot of non-obvious (though generally well-designed) gestures like two-finger scrolling, pinch-to-zoom/rotate, etc.

Re: Larry Tesler pioneered cut-and-paste, the one-button mouse, WYSIWYG (2005)

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Post by leptons » Sun, Aug 18, 2024, 5:59 PM UTC

gymbeaux wrote: post #172

leptons wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I timed it on my computer, in between my clicks there was about 4 seconds delay total when changing payment method and changing shipping address. Your "30 seconds" delay is definitely something specific to your computing platform. Maybe try upgrading your Pentium 1 computer?

Do I break your balls too and say “I’ve never had any delay” and “there was about 4 seconds delay” are mutually-exclusive? Do I break your balls further by pointing out there was never a “Pentium 1” CPU?

>Do I break your balls further by pointing out there was never a “Pentium 1” CPU?

You could try to be pedantic to distract from your obvious problem that your computer hardware is slow. "Pentium 1" means the original "Pentium" CPU, it is meant to disambiguate because "Pentium" could refer to Pentium 2, or Pentium 3, but I wanted to be clear that your computer is as slow as an original Pentium computer. But sure, go ahead and be pedantic instead of admitting your computer is slow.

>Do I break your balls too and say “I’ve never had any delay” and “there was about 4 seconds delay” are mutually-exclusive?

I said 4 seconds *TOTAL* delay. So that's 2 seconds delay across two actions, which I don't consider to be any real delay at all in the context of clicking on websites, and is certainly nowhere near the 30 seconds you claimed. If you really are seeing 30 seconds of delay (I doubt you've actually measured it), then your computer hardware is definitely to blame, and not Amazon. This is a you problem, not an Amazon problem.