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It took my savings and 14 years but I’m about to beat arthritis

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Re: It took my savings and 14 years but I’m about to beat arthritis

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Beef: it’s a pain killer, not a fix.

Yeah, it doesn't seem to explain how doing something about the pain receptors is actually fixing the issue; it improves quality of life, sure, but does it fix the cause and repair or avoid damage? That is, if it's only suppressing pain, the people suffering will do more things that may cause more cartilege damage. (disclaimer: I don't know much about arthritis so I may be wrong)

Until I started doing things to help my knees, the stuff I was doing, that I covered with NSAIDs actively made things worse.

I’ve had osteoarthritis in my knees since I was 16. At 27 I was opened up and told I had worn grooves through the cartilage and into the bone (I guess that’s why it hurt to ride a bike).

Doc told me quite literally to sit on a couch. Instead I took up karate, and the enforced stretching there relieved a ton of the pain. It didn’t fix anything, and i’d still get knee pain when riding a bike (I cut way back) or running, but my every day experience was tolerable.

In the past few years I started going to a functional fitness gym, and our coach got me towing a sled backwards- THAT fixed up my knees. Something about it has let my knees repair, and I haven’t had knees that felt this good sinc3 at least 1990.

Re: It took my savings and 14 years but I’m about to beat arthritis

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I thought tissue degeneration was part of the issue here? Having regenerated tissue doesn't necessarily help if you stop taking the drug and the tissue just goes away again. (It sounds weird to me that tissue can just disappear from that area so I think this might be wrong?)

If tissue gets regenerated, it shouldn't "just go away again" once you stop the drug unless perhaps there is an unidentified pathological process involved.

yeah, I too find it weird to imagine that tissue can just disappear from the inside of a joint. where would it even go? does it melt into the bloodstream or something? lmao

Re: It took my savings and 14 years but I’m about to beat arthritis

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where it says he took all his savings and "beat arthritis": it doesn't appear he has arthritis, he's an entrepreneur who took all his savings and founded a drug startup company with an idea he had around the time Pfizer laid him off

I got that just from reading the title of the HN submission (except for the detail of being laid off by Pfizer).

Re: It took my savings and 14 years but I’m about to beat arthritis

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Tangential question: as I now start suffering from arthritis in my hands, I was wondering if there is anything linked to diet that could help reduce it? I had read that fatty fishes were a good source to reduce pain but in your experience, is there any other food/lifestyle changes that can help alleviate it before resorting to medication?

If I was in your position, I would ease in to a whole food, plant based diet. What this means is a lot of cooking from scratch, which means hands! So how about a whole food, plant based diet that requires very little preparation? This is serious, so please do not waste time with 'cut out teh carbz' bro science. Do not take advice from anyone that talks of 'seed oils' and other keto talking points. Keto and carnivore…

Enjoyed reading your post about your success with a WFPB diet as well as the followup comment. Thanks for posting them! Liked your dynamic slow cooker approach to variations. I should try that.

Sad to see your informative and insightful comment modded down. Just goes to show how problematical discussion of all this can be. The issue is not so much ignorance as decades of (often profit-driven) misinformation. Peter C Gøtzsche wrote some books on problematical issues with a profit-driven medical industry.

Some more comments on related issues -- pardon if you have seen much of this before.

On your last paragraph, for salads, Dr. Joel Fuhrman suggests "Make the salad the main dish" including by adding a lot of things to it, like chickpeas and so on, and making dressing using nut butters. https://info.drfuhrman.com/make-salad-the-main-dish

He's also big on smoothies, especially in the morning, where people can drink them on the go.

I did not see you mention mushrooms. Something to consider: https://www.drfuhrman.com/blog/237/g-bombs-the-anti-cancer-f...

As a rule of thumb, Dr. Fuhrman basically suggests eating one pound raw foods and one pound cooked foods per day (ideally all WFPB). I can't say I manage that though. I keep trying to take short-cuts to all this, and probably none of them work that well. I've also tried meal delivery services (like Whole Harvest) but the cost, packaging, timing, and not having recipes tuned to my tastes is problematical -- even if the food is generally healthy otherwise. I am at least eating a lot more leafy greens, often in wraps -- although what I use for wraps can be problematical (any of processed wheat wraps, Ezekiel wraps, corn tortilla wraps, Nori wraps, large leaf lettuce, some worse than others).

Right now I am struggling with what to eat for breakfast. I have been trying some organic oat-based cereal with almond milk, fruit, and an organic plant-based protein powder -- but I know it could probably be much better if I was cooking more. Related to that I have been doing roughly 8:16 intermittent fasting by shifting my eating window into the mornings from roughly about 8am to 4pm (after a seven day water-only fast a couple months ago). So a good breakfast becomes more important. Surprised no comments by anyone here so far have mentioned fasting as another possible way to help with arthritis and other autoimmune issues.

The book "The Pleasure Trap" explains why so many people (whether me or your relative mentioned in your followup) are caught up in a "Pleasure Trap" of unhealthy eating related to how our natural inclinations rooted in food scarcity are maladapted for a world of food abundance (especially an abundance of salt, sugar and fat found in engineered ultraprocessed foods -- and also various non-food-related stress where the natural human response to stress is to fatten up for likely hard times):

https://www.healthpromoting.com/the-pleasure-trap

https://archive.org/details/the-pleasure-trap-mastering-the-...

Joe Cross' movie "Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead 2" explores why it can be so hard to keep up with healthy eating in modern Western society: https://www.rebootwithjoe.com/watch-here/

From: https://www.rebootwithjoe.com/about-fat-sick-nearly-dead-2/ "But then a funny thing happened, even with all the knowledge I’d learned, the techniques and tips I’ve gotten from experts, the fact that I was still off all of my medication, I found it was an ongoing struggle to keep the weight off! I was like, “hey, this isn’t supposed to be happening!” I’d done all the hard work, I even got off my meds! But that’s not how it works. I learned that losing the weight was easy, that the hard work really starts when you’re trying to maintain the weight loss. I quickly realized that I wasn’t alone. Seems like everyone has trouble keeping the weight off. That’s where the idea for “Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead #2” came from. I figured that I might as well share all this stuff. I was learning? So while I traveled to 10 countries, learning about health and nutrition along the way, I brought along the camera crew and what I found out is what you’ll see in the film. I visited doctors like Dean Ornish who gave me insight into the keys to health besides food, and Sheila Kar who gave me a view of my own arteries. A real eye-opener, I’ll tell you! I also wanted to know the power of marketing and see if I could eat only what I wanted to, not what I was being told to eat. That was what led me to Professor Brian Wansink who took me on a very enlightening tour of his hometown and showed me how food is sold to us and what we can do about it."

One interesting thing I read on Dr. Fuhrman's site somewhere is that one patient concluded it was cheaper to spend a month at a retreat and learn to eat better to reverse his heart disease than it would be to pay the deductible and copays on a heart bypass operation. I can wish there were more such health retreats all over the USA and the world -- maybe a Y-Combinator success yet to happen about that someday? https://www.drfuhrman.com/etlretreat

Supper clubs are one alternative to "retreats": "Logical Miracles: 100 Stories of Hope and Healing" https://www.amazon.com/Logical-Miracles-Stories-Hope-Healing... "Why is it so hard to eat right? What does it take to turn around the habits that make us sick and fat? Logical Miracles is a collection of stories by people in The Suppers Programs who found their personal solutions by experimenting with whole food. In an environment of nonjudgment, we cook, taste, and feel our way to health, and we forge new friendships based on healthy living. For five years, pilot Suppers groups have been helping people with a range of food-related challenges find their path, especially people with depression, anxiety, learning issues, obesity, diabetes, and problems with alcohol. No special diets. No fees. No commercial messages. The only requirement for membership is the desire to lead a healthier life. Now we’d like to share our logical miracles, our road maps, our recipes, and especially our hard-earned wisdom related as stories of hope and healing. Welcome to Suppers."

A bigger societal-level approach to transformation towards health is pursued by the "Blue Zones" project. https://www.bluezones.com/

Congrats on finding things that work for you to stay healthy in our current short-term-profit-maximizing society -- one that often privatizes gains like from addictive ultra-processed foods while socializing costs like ill health (paid for by higher medical-related taxes/borrowing and higher "health"-insurance premiums, not to mention years of personal suffering or family/communal grief from early deaths).

Re: It took my savings and 14 years but I’m about to beat arthritis

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Keep reading

I know. Read below.

This is a common deal in this industry, and the terms are fairly standardized. They get a small stake, and usually something like follow-on rights, sometimes more. In this case, Pfizer invested further after that. The big drug companies have a very large stake in making sure departing employees aren't scared of taking this particular deal because they write off a ton of drugs this way, and the only way to profitability on that IP is if someone takes the IP and takes the vast majority of the risk and cost, as this guy has. Don't think I've ever heard of an instance where someone took this deal and got screwed by doing so -- only instances where someone didn't (or tried to weasel out of the deal) and then ended up screwed.

Re: It took my savings and 14 years but I’m about to beat arthritis

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I know. Read below.

This is a common deal in this industry, and the terms are fairly standardized. They get a small stake, and usually something like follow-on rights, sometimes more. In this case, Pfizer invested further after that. The big drug companies have a very large stake in making sure departing employees aren't scared of taking this particular deal because they write off a ton of drugs this way, and the only way to profitabili…

Cool! Thanks for the follow-up.

I had not heard of that. I've seen the opposite, in tech.

Re: It took my savings and 14 years but I’m about to beat arthritis

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Has anyone treated arthritis with diet? I feel way better when I get off processed foods for a few days. (Not sure if I have arthritis but really sore hips and lower back.)

How old are you? This may be sacroiliitis. It can be diagnosed with an MRI scan.

I’m 44. Interesting idea. My pain is top of the back hips. But could be. It doesn’t sound like it’s treated any differently than arthritis or random joint pain? Is it worth getting diagnosed?

Re: It took my savings and 14 years but I’m about to beat arthritis

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Has anyone treated arthritis with diet? I feel way better when I get off processed foods for a few days. (Not sure if I have arthritis but really sore hips and lower back.)

I have a sero-negative inflammatory arthritis. The only thing that makes it better is meloxicam; that shit is AMAZINGLY effective, completely makes my symptoms go away for 2-3 days if I take the full 15mg. Unfortunately due to the risk of stomach bleeding and my sensitive stomach, I only take 7.5mg every now and then and only 15mg when I really need to do something active (walk long distances). Note: I tried celecoxi…

Is meloxicam very different from ibuprofen?

Re: It took my savings and 14 years but I’m about to beat arthritis

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not surprising, I also get inflammationary symptoms when I eat carbs, like heavy joints and drepression.

It's orthogonal to the diet, I actually force myself to eat normally including eating carbs, I actually take it specifically only because it has a strong positive effect on my immune system. There's some research showing as much.

makes sense to me unless you get autoimmune symptoms from them, to me it means that something gets through the gut-lining that shouldn't - I get depression from carbs, been looking for a solution since 2018, seen many doctors throughout the years.
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