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Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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A built in mac-like dock, completely different styling on components, no weird bottom window bar, no windows-like application menu, customized theme engine, built in window tiling. Just a few little differences.

Everything I can have in Mate

So is the claim that any DE with a top bar and launcher icons looks like MATE? Or because you can customize MATE, that it's just like every other DE?

Makes no sense.

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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This looks good for an alpha. The days of Compiz Fusion and crazy desktop gizmos are far behind. I'd love Linux to be a viable gaming platform, I'd totally use this. Steam OS is a step in the right direction but nowhere near the flexibility of Windows yet.

(Please don't try to convince me otherwise. Good luck playing Fallout London on Linux, for example.)

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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Yes, I'm using Hyprland at the moment but it's got a chaotic community and it's still pretty buggy (though heading in the right direction), but I'd love an advanced tiling Wayland WM that is less "hobbyish" as my daily driver.

I don't know if you would consider Sway "hobbyish", but it has been rock solid for me for 4 years.

I knew someone would recommend sway which is why I added the word "advanced". I used sway for a couple years before moving to Hyprland because Sway hasn't moved much. There are things that I need that Sway doesn't do, like disabling Xwayland scaling, and proper screen and window sharing.

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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A lot of shallow "but the buttons!" comments here... no need to be so negative. This is the first alpha release of a full new desktop environment, built on a new GUI toolkit (based on Iced) and a new Wayland compositor, together with a suite of applications, all built from scratch in Rust .... give it some time. Most interesting to me is the integrated tiling support. I've been on i3/sway for many years, but a lean,…

The integrated tiling is THE killer feature for me using Pop OS.

I used i3 plenty back in the day, but these days I just don't have the time to fiddle with the config. Pop OS tiling works perfectly out of the box if you don't need anything fancy.

Cool to see a new DE come into being.

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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I see nothing really "different" or "better" here, in terms of visuals or ease of use. To that end... I don't see the point in imitating a desktop experience that is pretty stagnant and moving in the wrong direction (macOS; I'm a user myself) when there are the decades that preceded Y2K that could be mined for much more usable an interesting desktop experiences. There's BeOS, Amiga Workbench, Atari ST various windowi…

Speaking of Mac OS, it refuses to add any window management beside manual dragging from first versions until today. The Cosmic environment appears to have a ton of window management features, which I find very nice.

I'm not sure of the sources behind your claim about macOS, but I can tell you it is incorrect.

There are a lot of advanced window management available in macOS. Exposé/Mission Control, Spaces, tiling, etc. though it's debatable which of these have been successful and which have not.

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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Yes! Here we go: - Mostly on an iPad Pro, no less: https://blog.gingerbeardman.com/2021/04/17/turning-an-ipad-p... - Here's my latest artwork done in System 7: https://blog.gingerbeardman.com/2024/07/14/shibuya-pixel-art... Believe it or not there are apps that run under System 7 that have no modern equivalents, or their modern counterparts are objectively worse. The vector apps I use on System 7 (Canvas, artWORKS, F…

Doesn't Canvas have a modern version via "Canvas X Draw"?

It has the same name, but otherwise I don't believe it is a descendant of the code in the app that I run.

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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One cool feature that I didn’t see described very well here is Cosmic allows you to group windows in tabs, but the tabs can be different applications. Kind of an interesting idea that the OS/window manager is what should be responsible for tab support, not each application.

This reminds me of a discussion on Twitter about this. Macintosh System 7 that had an app called Stapler, early Mac OS X had one called LaunchList both contained aliases to apps and documents. So I see the benefit of the OS managing this grouping.

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

#178

I see nothing really "different" or "better" here, in terms of visuals or ease of use. To that end... I don't see the point in imitating a desktop experience that is pretty stagnant and moving in the wrong direction (macOS; I'm a user myself) when there are the decades that preceded Y2K that could be mined for much more usable an interesting desktop experiences. There's BeOS, Amiga Workbench, Atari ST various windowi…

A lot of us like boring and "like the past". I leave the experimental stuff to the younglings. Show me something with more utility or a new paradigm and I'm more than willing to give it a go. As it is cosmic desktop is fine and works well for me and has for a couple of years

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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Care and craft. A lot of software engineers think that “done” means functional. And not “feels right”. That and unless a software engineer has specifically practiced implementing pixel perfect designs from a great designer, then they don’t spot the errors. The design will feel wrong but they don’t know why.

'Pixel perfect' designs are stupid, qnd responsible for backwards steps in font scaling. GUIs should be reflowable, not 'pixel perfect'. Dumbass 'pixel perfect' designs are the reason you can't resize the fucking System Preferences window. They're also shitty for accessibility. If you're significantly visually impaired but still inclined to rely on your remaining vision, you'll find that (a) macOS doesn't let you jac…

You're arguing with yourself. "Pixel perfect" doesn't mean what you think it does.

> Pixel perfect is a design approach that aims to achieve a precise and consistent look for a design, down to the pixel level.

https://www.google.com/search?q=define+pixel+perfect

Re: Cosmic: A New Desktop Environment

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It's very... Gnome-ish...

that's what they said from the beginning though? They just wanted something they could change instead gnome constantly changing things with little or no notice in new releases, breaking applets, plugins, etc with little or no time to change things and no input allowed from anyone other than what the gnome devs chose.
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