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Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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Wow, reddit found a way to make themselves even less useful somehow. After the API fiasco, that seemed like it'd be pretty hard to do.

If they kept their API open then by now the entirety of the site would be ai slop that was built with chatgpt and launched with the api. Then again most of what that site does is just blend and regurgitate the information that's currently on it anyway.

Those AI bots would likely to be more intelligent commentors than Redditors

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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bing probably has the money to reach a deal, smaller companies without monopolies is less likely, and that's the problem. i don't think google is blameless like you propose.

> bing probably has the money to reach a deal, smaller companies without monopolies is less likely, and that's the problem. Reddit can charge smaller companies less money. So if there's a problem, again, the problem is 100% with Reddit . Google is absolutely blameless here. You may not like Google, and you can certainly blame them for plenty of other things. But in this situation, literally all of the blame is with R…

takes two tango. reddit can't do anything without google signing papers as well

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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# Welcome to Reddit's robots.txt # Reddit believes in an open internet, but not the misuse of public content. # See https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/26410290525844-Public-Content-Policy Reddit's Public Content Policy for access and use restrictions to Reddit content. # See https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit4researchers/ for details on how Reddit continues to support research and non-commercial use. # pol…

With the amount of crap in Reddit, cleaning it must be a very non-trivial problem. (I mean, it never is, but in the case of Reddit it's probably extra complicated)

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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I don’t understand how this isn’t anti-competitive behavior. It seems like reddit has to offer this deal with similar terms to google’s competitors.

Why in the world would they have to do that? There are thousands of exclusive business-to-business deals being signed into action every second of the day.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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It's a very long article so understandable that you did not read on and learn about other search engines crawling beyond GBY. Still there are indeed very few that are crawling at web scale, and internationally. We are at 8 billion pages and totally independent [0], hence expressing our concerns to 404 media after being blanked by Reddit. [0] https://www.mojeek.com/about/why-mojeek

> did not read on and learn about other search engines crawling beyond GBY. Still there are indeed very few that are crawling at web scale, and internationally That's helpful clarification. In criticism of the article, you might agree that none of them have their own results is a fairly absolute statement. It signals: Final word on the matter; no nuance to follow.

Omitting the "almost" from "almost none" makes it sound disingenuously more absolute than it actually is.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

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post #123

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>But, apparently, they did finally find a way to make money. The most recent 10-K financial results 2024-03-31 (filed 2024-05-08) shows they actually lost money: https://www.sec.gov/edgar/browse/?CIK=1713445 (For 2024-Q1, Reddit lost -$575 million on revenue of $242 M.) If the quoted "$60 million deal" [1] from Feb 2024 is accurate, that small amount from Google may not be enough for Reddit to turn a profit. It remai…

Wow, perhaps I’m naive but what the hell are they spending over $800M a year on? That seems an obscene amount for a glorified message board. I just read they have 2000 employees which is also puzzling to me

Almost 200 million is in CEO compensation https://www.statista.com/statistics/1453196/reddit-top-execu...

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#178
When Microsoft strikes an exclusive deal with OpenAI to use their models, it is a smart, brilliant, clever move.

When Apple strikes an exclusive deal with suppliers for parts, it is sound business practice.

When Google strikes an exclusive deal with Reddit, it is ..

Some of you have no idea how businesses work, and it shows.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#179

Wow, reddit found a way to make themselves even less useful somehow. After the API fiasco, that seemed like it'd be pretty hard to do.

The API changes and these robots.txt were part of the same strategy - preventing third parties from scrapping their data and reducing the AI generated content that makes it into their data. So they can sell that data and make money.

Re: Google is the only search engine that works on Reddit now, thanks to AI deal

#180
post #13

Reddit has been ripe for disruption for years. It's just waiting on an inflection point and someone to take it behind the barn.

The network effects are too strong. Remember, the only reason Reddit "won" was because Digg destroyed itself with a radical upgrade that everyone hated. Reddit would have to do something similarly self-inflicted, and I can't even guess where people would go. Reddit was already an alternative to Digg -- what's the alternative to Reddit? I mean, it's certainly not Quora.

I don't think this is true.

The main thing I see Reddit being useful for are discussions about entertainment.

There's probably a subreddit for your favorite sports team, twitch steamer, TV show, book series video game, politics (which is entertainment for some people).

Reddit has seriously degraded the experience of a lot of these communities with things like restricting custom CSS.

It seems to me that the way you'd disrupt Reddit as a startup is to pick a vertical and laser focus on becoming the best discussion board for that community. If it's sports than have integrations for live stats, scores, etc.

In general you could attract users by offering profit sharing on ads the same way Youtube does for creators.

Have the best moderation tools in the world, a constant painpoint with Reddit. Give admins more flexibility over the appearance of the board, all things Reddit took away.

The other path for disruption would be if an established company with those communities tackled the problem. Lots of communities already us Discord, but they tend to also have a subreddit because chat and forums are different communication methods. Discord could easily offer a forum product as an extension of their chat services. If they do it well they'd drive a lot of users away from the subreddits.

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