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Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by Arjuna144 »

Dachande663 wrote: post #82
meindnoch wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ummmm what?

Hameroff is one of those common pseudo-psy frauds. Dawkins hit the nail on the head when he said consciousness is hard to grasp and understand so everytime something in science comes along that is also hard to grasp, people latch on to it as an explanation. 70s it was chaos theory, then everyone switch to quantum entanglement, and already seeing it leak into AGI.

No no, Dawkins is just a old scientist and even though I admire him, he is just repeating the same old lines. These days there is research and qunatum effects in the structures of microtubelins was shown by other research groups also:

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpcb.3c07936

It is best to really do the research and not rely on people who already have made up their mind (that Dawkins guy for example seems like he really wants Materialism to be true).

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by Arjuna144 »

k8sagic wrote: post #110
Arjuna144 wrote: post #72

These days we have some theory about this. See Stuart Hameroff MD, a Professor of Anesthesiology and Psychology, and Director of the Center for Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona. To sum it up from my limited understanding: This disturbs the quantum coherance in the microtubelies in all cells (But mostly nurons) which is needed for consciousness to "limit" itself to a identity.

Consiousness is a emerging feature of our brains complexity. The way this dude throws around quantum and co is just esotherical.

I am not aware of any proof that "Consiousness is a emerging feature of our brains complexity". For all that I know throwing around such statements of truth is mere stupidity and anti scientific

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by m3047 »

eigenvalue wrote: post #43

It's fascinating to me that a pure element would have such immediate and significant effects on the human mind. I would think that this would generally require a more complex molecular shape that can fit with various receptors in the body and trigger the release of dopamine and other neurotransmitters. Apparently, Xenon does this by acting as an antagonist of the N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) receptor, a subtype of glu…

> Other drugs that act along the NMDA pathway

and apparently Gou Teng, used in traditional chinese medicine and for blood pressure control ("and" because TCM wasn't developed with blood pressure cuffs at hand).

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by racional »

ossobuco wrote: post #165
racional wrote: post #140

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Sieg Heil originated in Germany around the 1900, etc A broken analogy. The difference lies in the fact that these symbols were utterly obscure to German public before the Nazis introduced them in the early 1920s; though they had previous incarnations, in essence the Nazis reinvented them. In fact, they were so successful at it that most people are surprised to learn that these symbols had prior origins. The situation…

> And used today, it has no fascist connotations, and does not indicate support for Bandera or the OUN. That's just a simple fact. You obviously want the slogan to mean something different in the current context -- but we're talking about a country of 44 million people here, and if you have any interaction at all with this society, it's perfectly obvious and clear what they mean by it. I take their word over yours. T…

> And used today

In the mainstream, I obviously meant.

Check in on any American Nazi rally from the 1930s to the present day (the photos are all over the place); you'll see the Stars and Stripes displayed very prominently right along Swastika flags. Does that mean the former is, therefore, a fascist symbol?

Check what is the role of fascist militias like Azov in the 2014's Maidan.

Azov did not exist at the time of Maidan.

This is the kind of nonsense world you create for yourself by obsessively reading polemics, and pulling "research" from echo-chamber news sources. Rather than bothering to find out what Ukrainians are actually like, as a people.

The real problem with Ukraine as a nation is ...

The irony here is that you claim to be concerned about the dangers of Nazism. But then almost in the same breath, you dive head-first into weird tribalist diatribes like this.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by WorldMaker »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #80
janalsncm wrote: post #56

In college I used a lot of nitrous. I got small cartridges and a “cracker” with a balloon. It was pretty euphoric. I stopped after recording myself taking it. I was unconscious a lot longer than I remembered being, and even though I was probably never at risk of suffocating there were long periods where I didn’t see myself breathing. That was enough. I regret the effects it may have had on my brain. It’s impossible t…

Unconscious from the hypoxia? Why don’t recreational nitrous users mix in some oxygen like medical users do?

There's also the safer option to mix in some beer like Guinness drinkers do.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by cess11 »

lazide wrote: post #136
cess11 wrote: post #134

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Kind of weird question, since a clear majority of people are drug users and they are almost certain to know some of those.

Also known as a [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question ]. Are many recreational drug users responsible about what they put in their bodies? Yes. The long lived in particular. Do some recreational drug users find it a point of pride about how recklessly indifferent they can be about what they put in their bodies? Also yes. There is also definitely a (small) subset of recreational drug users which active…

Not sure what you mean but it seems you agree that drug use doesn't actually say much about a person.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by cess11 »

golergka wrote: post #155
cess11 wrote: post #133

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It's a potent dissociative, you'll black out before you reach concentrations required for this purpose.

You're in a rocket on top of thousands of tons of explosives, everything runs automatically, there's terrifying noise all around and you don't control anything. Blacking out in dissociative euphoria still sounds like a feature, not a bug to me.

Why would there be noise and explosives?

Personally I'd prefer to not be put in a coma in such an environment.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by rabite »

racional wrote: post #160
rabite wrote: post #145

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Yes. It was prudent to do anything to save Ukraine. Absolutely. If you love your country you'd deal with the devil himself to save it from what Russia was doing. 10 million people died in Genrikh Yagoda's torture chambers. Another 5 million starved to death in the holodomor. Hitler was bad, sure, but only a third as bad as the Bolsheviks. And about half of those 15 million deaths happened in Ukraine, and Bandera's fi…

10 million people died in Genrikh Yagoda's torture chambers. These are some wildly inflated numbers you're posting here. Total estimates for the number of persons killed in pre-war political repressions in the USSR top out at 1 million or so. I'm not sure what Ukraine's exact number is, but (in asserting that it was "about half" of 10M) you're easily inflating the true number by a factor of at least 10x here. Likely…

Wikipedia cites the Holodomor as 5 million. That was mostly in East Ukraine. That's most of the half. The other 2.5 million were from gulags.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet...

There were 20 million+ excess deaths, of which 10 million are commonly attributed to Yagoda:

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Maybe you disagree with these numbers, but they're the ones I know of.

Re: Tripping on Xenon Gas (2023)

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Post by robbiep »

WorldMaker wrote: post #175
Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unconscious from the hypoxia? Why don’t recreational nitrous users mix in some oxygen like medical users do?

There's also the safer option to mix in some beer like Guinness drinkers do.

That’s nitrogen gas (molecular nitrogen) not nitrous oxide
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