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EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/council-to-greenlight-chat-... Let your voice be heard! Contact your representatives (bottom of the page)!

There were elections about a week ago, so people voted for that, did they change mind in a week ? If you go against what people voted for, isn't it denying democracy and the votes of the people ?

The EU Council is not the same as the EU parliament.

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Sorry, what? No one ever says “Socialism can work” when “something good happens”. You are American aren’t you

So you also believe the "socialist parties" aren't actually socialist?

If you are able to you should really visit Europe, because it really sounds like you have the version presented to you by your favorite media. Reality is very different as the many many comments already point out to you. This is mostly for historic and cultural reasons which is hard to understand if you not actually seen it in practice.

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Are there ways to circumvent this? Selfhosting? Encryption before sending?

There is this in the table: "All services normally provided for remuneration (including ad-funded services) are in scope, without no threshold in size, number of users etc." "Only non-commercial services that are not ad-funded, such as many open source software, are out of scope" Weird right? But it would be weirder if they would outlaw the application of mathematical operations on your own messages... oh wait that's…

> Are they going to put me in jail because I don't want them to read messages between me and my friends or my wife?

Them: "If you don't show us your messages, you are probably going to jail. So if you don't change your mind, and end up in jail without having shown us your messages, that means whatever was in those messages was way worse than going to jail. You probably knew you were going to get a longer sentence if you showed us those messages, and preferred to go with a shorter sentence of 'refusing to collaborate'."

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> If you take right and cut out russian support, keep taxes and less money distribution, promote personal tesponsibility you are still extreme right. That describes to a T the French party "Les Republicains", and nobody calls them far right. So no, you need the extremist "migrants bad" with zero nuance, heavy doses of populism with no foundation, promises of more money distribution (in France, the Front National is p…

Why is "migrants bad" with zero nuance extremist?

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Re: EU Council to Vote on Chat Scanning Proposal on Thursday

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The problem with the current state of the EU is that it is governed by unelected politicians - the EU Comission, and they are very out of touch with reality. Plus the fact they managed to make themselves very hard to control or remove from power.

Latest example being farmers that are being targeted and until they did not come to Brussels to dump manure in the streets, the EU Comission did not care a bit of the harm they were causing them. And it did not care even then until France used its power to get it to listen.

The EU started as a nice project that is slowly becoming something thst not even in the wildest communist dreams was thought not possible.

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And at every stage people will talk about how horrible EU is as if this has already passed, just like last time.

The fact that we have to deal with this bullshit every couple months is a pretty depressing fact on its own.

I wish there was a way for EU citizens to punish the council this behaviour. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be anything in place for that.

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> The loop is intentional though Of course, but it's also a consequence of being rich countries. Nobody wants to actually be a cop anymore, after studying for years to get a degree and finally get a cop's salary, and I understand them. The good news is that unless you are Japanese living in a dystopian anime, automated (kawaiiii) drone repression will never work in practice. https://theglorioblog.com/wp-content/uploa…

Over here in NLD they dont make them study. They mostly hire morons and give them a course so stupid a above average intelligent person could pass the exam within a month. And it shows on the streets. ( They even taser unarmed elderly on a mobility device and no one bats an eye ) Nobody wants to work for a corrupt and imbecile organisation.

> They mostly hire morons

yeah, same here, that's part of the problem though, which reinforces the idea that police can be replaced by autonomous robotic agents. Which is not true.

Some examples from my country, some are laughable, some are horrifying

https://www.gardapost.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/robot-ya...

https://www.gedistatic.it/content/gnn/img/ilsecoloxix/2023/1...

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Those who get money want in, obviously. I was referring to those paying for the party (ie Germany)

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/10/24/people-br... https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/majority-of-g... https://www.dw.com/en/eu-nato-growing-in-popularity-in-germa... No, Germans quite like the EU. Same as in France, it's that popular and Brexit was so much of a disaster, that the far-right parties stopped talking about leaving the EU and moved to just vague stuff about reforming it.

something can be desirable yet unwanted - as a result of relentless misinformation for example

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An issue is that what US people mean when they say "socialism" is not what EU people understand at all. US people typically don't see the difference between communism and socialism. From an EU point of view, US people see everything that is not right or far right as "the bad guys in Marvel comics".

What is the difference between socialism and communism, then?

If you listen to Leninists, 'communism' is the ultimate form of 'socialism' but really that was created because Russia's industry was judged too undeveloped to achieve what Marx described. But there is no meaningful systemic difference.

I think "EU people" know that very well, including from experience.

What's happened is that most "socialist" parties have shifted and now really only seek to implement socialist-inspired ideas with a capitalist society, whereas communist parties still seek actual socialism.

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