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Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by throwup238 »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #150
deng wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, what is also important is that in many cities you often need to drive with a bit of... let's say "confidence", otherwise you will never leave your current spot. When you try to enter a busy street, you sometimes JUST NEED TO GO, trusting the oncoming traffic will slow down if needed. Sometimes a nice person will flash headlights to let you know it's OK, but I'm pretty sure FSD will not be able to notice that...…

Imagine if you sit in a self driving taxi and need to get somewhere and the longer the ride takes, the higher the price for it. Then the taxi not really getting anywhere fast.

All while you have to sit there with personalized ads by Google, except of course it’ll be broken and you’ll get nothing but Cialis commercials.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

hbarka wrote: post #120
hankman86 wrote: post #64

They should teach Tesla’s “autopilot” (and its FSD upgrade) in business schools. Turns out you can sustainably push up company valuation on vapourware. You have to wonder if Tesla’s autonomous driving technology was actually ever meant to turn into a product. Or whether it is mostly a tool to justify the lofty Tesla stock price. I very much doubt that it is technologically ahead of its competitors.

Ford’s Blue Cruise is hands-off in mapped highways. Waymo is driverless. Musk is really getting away with all the hype for what Tesla cruise control delivers.

Tesla is hands-off since a week ago (provided you are sunglass free and watching road).

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by zwerdlds »

drcode wrote: post #162
lucianbr wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if the guy who died when his Telsa drove under a truck would have written a similar comment the day before. What do you think? I mean this one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/t...

Please stop using anecdotes and provide safety statistics in your argument, like this: https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/10/Tesla...

But... Your comment was an anecdote too?

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by numpad0 »

html5cat wrote: post #16

My car is old enough to not have adaptive cruise control and lane centering, but that's all I'd love to have for now. Well executed, it's such a joy on a highway or in traffic. Jeep and others have it but drive like a bowling ball with guardrails up. Has anyone here successfully retrofitted Audi a4 with ACC? I hear Cruise started like that, would be awesome to get a kit like that.

The car has to have electric power steering that takes forged external commands. ~2005 cars tend to have incompatible hydraulic type units, 2019~ cars tend to have signature enforcement for external steering input.

Gas, brake, steering in cars are controlled by each separate computers with each own firmware - there's no centralized keyboard controller or USB root hub to take over. The computers have to be designed and built to accept driving commands, or replaced by one supporting it, or mechanically actuated. The latter two paths are rarely taken.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by golol »

xnx wrote: post #90
ENGNR wrote: post #70

How does Tesla FSD fair against the Waymo self driving taxis? I'm curious about whether self driving is still an impossible task right now, or if it's just a matter of quality between companies - in which case it's possibly a fair bet being made by Telsa execs that they'll bridge the gap given time and money.

Waymo does 50K paid trips per week without a driver behind the wheel. Tesla does zero. Waymo is a business. Tesla FSD is currently just a tech demo.

Lol I'm pretty sure FSD generates more revenue than Waymo.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by hardlianotion »

ProxCoques wrote: post #170
rvnx wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it sort of works in limited cases. FSD is like ChatGPT, it works in many cases, it does some mistakes, but it is certainly not “useless”. It won’t replace full time humans yet (the same way that ChatGPT does not replace a developer) but can still work in some scenarios. To the investor, ChatGPT is sold as “AGI is just round the corner”.

I think this is one of my fave FSD predictions: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tesla-driverless-cars... Oct 2014: "Five or six years from now we will be able to achieve true autonomous driving where you could literally get in the car, go to sleep and wake up at your destination."

That’s metaphysics.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by dzhiurgis »

xyst wrote: post #146

Self driving cars in general are a useless technology demo. Not just TSLA (although more so because of the repeated false claims). It’s a way for the car industry to fight against their extinction. In the beginning the argument was: “it’s not the cars killing people, it’s the damn ‘jay walkers’ (term invented by auto industry, btw). Get those people off the road and cram them into the sides of the streets so my fat c…

> It’s a way for the car industry to fight against their extinction.

Do you have any evidence car industry is about to extinct?

Seems kinda opposite - even with multiple levels of subsidies, public transport is utter failure in most places.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by yreg »

rjh29 wrote: post #141
drcode wrote: post #131

I have FSD v12 and for my drives, in my part of the country, I have to do a mild safety intervention maybe once a week (like, getting closer to another car than I'm comfortable with) sorry other people are having different experiences, but FSD is a significant quality of life improvement for me. Nothing is nicer than getting in the car after a long day and letting it chauffeur me home. (yes I still pay attention)

People who drive often find basic driving "automatic"; if you still need to be vigilant, maybe even hypervigilant because you're not personally driving the car, what's the advantage?

>People who drive often find basic driving "automatic"

And yet most of us like cruise control and lane keeping.

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Post by quonn »

xyst wrote: post #146

Self driving cars in general are a useless technology demo. Not just TSLA (although more so because of the repeated false claims). It’s a way for the car industry to fight against their extinction. In the beginning the argument was: “it’s not the cars killing people, it’s the damn ‘jay walkers’ (term invented by auto industry, btw). Get those people off the road and cram them into the sides of the streets so my fat c…

Nonsense.

I will only reply to your last paragraph:

- EVs need to hardly ever break, so no brake dust and certainly not more than for ICEs.

- Tires only wear faster if you accelerate like crazy.

- Batteries likely last 20 years and afterwards another 30 years as energy storage devices. And then they can be recycled with 95% of the materials being reused.

- And pollution is not the same as CO2 emissions which is what is being addressed.

Re: Tesla's FSD – A Useless Technology Demo

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Post by drcode »

zwerdlds wrote: post #173
drcode wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please stop using anecdotes and provide safety statistics in your argument, like this: https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/10/Tesla...

But... Your comment was an anecdote too?

safety arguments need to be statistical in nature

there's no such thing as perfect safety

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