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Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by berniedurfee »

mbivert wrote: post #34

> unnatural hand position Is it really unnatural? Interestingly, as a right-handed, the two middle fingers of my right hand tend to effortlessly group together; this feels noticeably less true on my left hand, but still observable if I try to relax it. The peculiar "mission tile" (half-cylindrical) flexibility of the palm region, encouraged by writing for example, may foster this grouping. It's a bit surprising for t…

Yep. If I just naturally lay my hand down on something, my middle and ring fingers do tend to naturally come together.

It takes a tiny bit of intent to splay my fingers out.

Portrait artists constantly study people very closely and are likely attuned to thousands of little nuanced details that go unnoticed by most people. This is probably one.

Now I’m going to start looking at people’s hands to check their finger positions. That might have been a good exercise for the authors of the paper to determine if this is a natural hand position.

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Post by moi2388 »

“ It should be considered an artistic device or a symbolic hallmark without any conveyed meaning rather than a true pathologic depiction of syndactyly.”

Well, that was tax money well spent. Is this actually considered science now? Is this what (art) historians actually do? Speculate a bit and then say “well, it probably was something”?

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

DonHopkins wrote: post #166
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youre a disinginous cunt, just fyi. You've succesfully riled me up, which was clearly your goal, but youve still failed to make any kind of sense or construct a cohesive argument, so respectfully, you can suck my entire dick.

Your "boys will be boys" argument is obviously self-serving, because you're acting exactly like the worst kind of teenage boy edgelord, living in his mother's basement, trolling on 4chan, participating in Gamergate. You keep making provably false claims and ignoring the evidence, and in spite of your baseless arguments to the contrary, teenage boys certainly can be racist, and teenage boys aren't the only ones using…

Dude you are truly deranged.

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Post by DonHopkins »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #173
DonHopkins wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your "boys will be boys" argument is obviously self-serving, because you're acting exactly like the worst kind of teenage boy edgelord, living in his mother's basement, trolling on 4chan, participating in Gamergate. You keep making provably false claims and ignoring the evidence, and in spite of your baseless arguments to the contrary, teenage boys certainly can be racist, and teenage boys aren't the only ones using…

Dude you are truly deranged.

You're acting like a child. And you're completely unable to address any of my points, or any of the points other people have raised, you just rant and fume and call people names, while trying to defend reprehensible behavior, as immature as your own. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, just like all of the abusive racist bullies you're trying so hard to defend. So I've made my point, by drawing you out and making you illustrate my point by your own behavior.

You claimed it makes you laugh when you trick people into thinking you're a racist asshole. Well you've convinced me of that quite well with lots of evidence of your own words, so why are you angrily fuming instead of laughing? Now that you've convinced everyone that you're a racist asshole, you should declare victory, laugh, and shut up. Mission accomplished!

Again, you may be yourself, but Roger Stone is not a teenage boy, and neither are the Proud Boys he's sitting with in that photograph, flashing their White Supremacist signs. That destroys your argument. And you are still unable to respond to that, and you just get angrier and angrier and more incoherent every time I point that out. Why aren't you laughing like you said you would?

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Post by lkdfjlkdfjlg »

guerrilla wrote: post #160
lkdfjlkdfjlg wrote: post #155

It's just a matter of style. People copy the styles that they identify themselves with/aspire to. Artist copy each other, black kids copy 50cent, white kids copy jake paul, gay men copy each others feminine affectations. Once you notice it, it's everywhere.

> gay men copy each others feminine affectations Do you know of research on this? I have two gay friends with feminine speech and both are adamant that they don't choose to have this and would prefer not to. Each has their own theory as to why they have it. One suspects it might be (epi)genetic while another suspects its influenced by being raised by women. I can't buy the latter since many very masculine straight me…

update: There's a wikipedia page for this. Because of _course_ there is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_male_speech

The guy at 4:04 articulates exactly the same idea as I did above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkm0rmigGOw

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

DonHopkins wrote: post #174
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude you are truly deranged.

You're acting like a child. And you're completely unable to address any of my points, or any of the points other people have raised, you just rant and fume and call people names, while trying to defend reprehensible behavior, as immature as your own. You can dish it out, but you can't take it, just like all of the abusive racist bullies you're trying so hard to defend. So I've made my point, by drawing you out and ma…

Cause you arent listening to me, you are accusing me of saying things I never said, you are accusing me of being racist, etc and keep weirdly bringing up donald trump and his associates even tho ive claimed no affiliation at all.

Your just being weird as fuck homie. Flying off the handle for no real reason. And im not laughing cause I am not a troll. Matter of fact, why am I still responding to you? Eat shit.

Re: Secret Hand Gestures in Paintings (2019)

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

llamaimperative wrote: post #97
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #91

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Far right != white power movement or white nationalism. Proud boys != white power group or white nationalist group.

Your claim was some mishmash of "only kids do it" and "no one does it in the real world" and "only trolls do it" So I'm not sure what you think you're correcting here.

My claim was it is not a symbol of white power. And the article you linked provided 0 evidence to support the claim that it is associated with white power. It did associate it with the 3 percenters, who do not seem to be a white supremecist group.

Instead you seem to be claiming that right-wingers use the symbol, ergo it is racist or white power affiliated. That claim is false. Just because someone is a republican, doesnt make them a racist.

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Post by llamaimperative »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #177
llamaimperative wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your claim was some mishmash of "only kids do it" and "no one does it in the real world" and "only trolls do it" So I'm not sure what you think you're correcting here.

My claim was it is not a symbol of white power. And the article you linked provided 0 evidence to support the claim that it is associated with white power. It did associate it with the 3 percenters, who do not seem to be a white supremecist group. Instead you seem to be claiming that right-wingers use the symbol, ergo it is racist or white power affiliated. That claim is false. Just because someone is a republican, d…

Wait but I thought the whole joke of making that hand sign was to trick people into thinking you're a racist? Doesn't the entire premise of the "joke" rest on the assumption that people do in fact associate that hand sign with racists?

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Post by fsckboy »

Loughla wrote: post #94
dvh wrote: post #76

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The pope photo is not him pointing upward, he's doing the blessing. Imagine someone standing right in front of him and he's pointing two fingers at their head, then move to torso, then left shoulder, then right shoulder. Depending on the speed of the camera at that time, he might pose like that for a second just to take the photograph as if he's in the middle of the blessing someone. I've never seen priest doing it w…

It's literally the hand sign of dual nature of Christ. Blessing or posing. The Catholic Church has had quite a few years to solidify and formalize their rituals. Nothing a priest does during mass is accidental or coincidental. They go to school for these things.

>The Catholic Church has had quite a few years to solidify and formalize their rituals.

so they retconned it?

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