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Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by amelius »

eitland wrote: post #136
vouaobrasil wrote: post #127

Sometimes I wonder how much better the internet would be hits on Google weren't directly tied to revenue from Google itself through its ad program. I am certain Google has made the internet and the world a worse place to live.

As a user of Kagi and search.marginalia.nu I can tell you: Quite a bit. So much that now that I have what "everyone" asked Google for for years - that is blacklists - I hardly use them. Why? Because with Kagi I get much better results out of the box. I am fairly sure Googlers will tell me there are multiple safeguards to prevent the inclusion of Google ads from affecting ranking, to which I just have to say that the…

How do you know that Kagi won't become as bad as Google at some point?

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by nradov »

L-four wrote: post #157
Workaccount2 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fundamental problem with the Internet is that people don't want to pay for things on it. No matter what, whatever we ended up with was going to be shitty and exploitive.

It's not that people don't want to pay it's that it's difficult to pay small sums. The web browsers could solve this problem but they make money from ads so it's not in there best interest.

Jakob Nielsen's article "The Case for Micropayments" from 1998 still seems relevant. Nothing has really changed in 26 years so I'm skeptical whether it could ever work, but in principle it would be great for users and website owners to have that option.

https://www.nngroup.com/articles/the-case-for-micropayments/

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by mannycalavera42 »

nolist_policy wrote: post #164
eitland wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats exactly what I am talking about. Kagi is kind of like Google in 2009, seriously good coverage, good ranking ... but also: - more modern - more features (summarizer, bangs like in DDG, FastGPT and probably a few I forgot) - blocklists for websites (and also options to pin, raise and lower) - with actual support: report a bug and you get an answer from a real engineer, a follow up when it is fixed and a shout out…

Is it only me or do these constant Kagi ads on HN sound fishy?

kagi is the new crossfit

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by epr »

nolist_policy wrote: post #164
eitland wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats exactly what I am talking about. Kagi is kind of like Google in 2009, seriously good coverage, good ranking ... but also: - more modern - more features (summarizer, bangs like in DDG, FastGPT and probably a few I forgot) - blocklists for websites (and also options to pin, raise and lower) - with actual support: report a bug and you get an answer from a real engineer, a follow up when it is fixed and a shout out…

Is it only me or do these constant Kagi ads on HN sound fishy?

Did we not all evangelize Google in it's early days?

Also, none of these accounts saying nice things appear to be bots or kagi-focused in any way, so I think it's safe to assume they do actually just like it.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by breakfastduck »

amelius wrote: post #171
eitland wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a user of Kagi and search.marginalia.nu I can tell you: Quite a bit. So much that now that I have what "everyone" asked Google for for years - that is blacklists - I hardly use them. Why? Because with Kagi I get much better results out of the box. I am fairly sure Googlers will tell me there are multiple safeguards to prevent the inclusion of Google ads from affecting ranking, to which I just have to say that the…

How do you know that Kagi won't become as bad as Google at some point?

We don't, but a model where a user pays for a service rather than being free and ad supported is significantly less likely to enact user unfriendly changes.

If the way you make money is by convincing people to pay, you are highly incentivised to make the product good, especially where there are many other free competitors who are ad supported.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by dustincoates »

eitland wrote: post #151
abhijat wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to Kagi in June last year. I just realized I tried it initially because I wanted to try out blocking sites in search results, and I have only ever needed to block three domains.

Thats exactly what I am talking about. Kagi is kind of like Google in 2009, seriously good coverage, good ranking ... but also: - more modern - more features (summarizer, bangs like in DDG, FastGPT and probably a few I forgot) - blocklists for websites (and also options to pin, raise and lower) - with actual support: report a bug and you get an answer from a real engineer, a follow up when it is fixed and a shout out…

I like Kagi a lot (just look at my comment history), but I'm letting my subscription lapse when it comes time to renew. I've found myself going to Google a lot more often, and I'm finding more and more transparently spammy sites in the Kagin index. Some, for example, are clearly Gen AI created.

If I were a rich man, I would probably keep my subscription just to support a Google competitor. Alas, I'm not, and so I'll be going back to Google.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by breakfastduck »

nolist_policy wrote: post #164
eitland wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats exactly what I am talking about. Kagi is kind of like Google in 2009, seriously good coverage, good ranking ... but also: - more modern - more features (summarizer, bangs like in DDG, FastGPT and probably a few I forgot) - blocklists for websites (and also options to pin, raise and lower) - with actual support: report a bug and you get an answer from a real engineer, a follow up when it is fixed and a shout out…

Is it only me or do these constant Kagi ads on HN sound fishy?

Google Search being a bit rubbish has been in the zeitgeist for a while, it's not surprising that people then talk about an alternative they've found that is much better in their experience

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by esperent »

eitland wrote: post #136
vouaobrasil wrote: post #127

Sometimes I wonder how much better the internet would be hits on Google weren't directly tied to revenue from Google itself through its ad program. I am certain Google has made the internet and the world a worse place to live.

As a user of Kagi and search.marginalia.nu I can tell you: Quite a bit. So much that now that I have what "everyone" asked Google for for years - that is blacklists - I hardly use them. Why? Because with Kagi I get much better results out of the box. I am fairly sure Googlers will tell me there are multiple safeguards to prevent the inclusion of Google ads from affecting ranking, to which I just have to say that the…

Kagi is worth the money, but it isn't magic. It's about as good as Google was ~five years ago, before they made all the search operators stop work. There's also a whole bunch of things it's worse at that Google - especially local search and shopping. Plus I still get plenty of blogspam and AI generated crap from Kagi.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by zeroCalories »

isaacfrond wrote: post #122

Most of the factors in ranking a page are no surprise. But i was surprised that having Product reviews on your site is apparently a demotion? Surely, many people are searching to find just that?

Sites spam low quality product reviews with affiliate links to Amazon. This is done by "reputable" sites as well. I don't blame Google for down ranking this meta.
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