Firefox bug gets fixed after 25 years • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox bug gets fixed after 25 years

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Post by hu3 » Wed, May 22, 2024, 6:36 PM UTC

jraph wrote: post #164

hu3 wrote: post #161

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Roulette? It's often correct enough, if you know how to ask, so more like a superhuman than a roulette. If ChatGPT behaves like a roulette to you I'll attribute that to operator error.

When evidence is needed, "often correct enough" is not sufficient. You need reliable and correct for sure. I assume you understand how LLMs work? Probabilistic word generation? That can't possibly be used as a source. It literally works by making up things that look probable . It can be used to find a source, but you still need a source. The LLM might be correct often enough, but you'll only know the LLM is correct i…

> When evidence is needed...

That's a big "when". Often it is not. Real life is often more maleable.

For similar reasons I don't need aeronautical engineering to fix my kids bike. Good enough is good enough.

> I never used it.

You should try. If at least to have a more educated opinion on the matter.

Re: Firefox bug gets fixed after 25 years

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Post by sanderjd » Wed, May 22, 2024, 9:36 PM UTC

saurik wrote: post #162

sanderjd wrote: post #126

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Agree to disagree :) The "human readable" is better at a glance, and timestamps are better when I care about the specifics. > People would more likely want to copy the actual date than the human readable delta. I agree that this is true when copying, but text is primarily for reading, not copying.

> I get dozens of mails per day, having just “yesterday” for 50 messages in a row is useless. How is this "better at a glance"?!

Like I said, agree to disagree, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks and all that, but to me, after a day, the most pertinent at-a-glance information there is "this was received yesterday". I definitely think it's more useful for more recent things that can say "37 minutes ago" or "3 hours ago", but to me, "yesterday" is also useful. (I might prefer it if it said "yesterday morning" and "yesterday evening" or something like that, but I rarely care about the exact time, after a day.)

Re: Firefox bug gets fixed after 25 years

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Post by gravescale » Wed, May 22, 2024, 10:55 PM UTC

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #46

Off topic but I really dislike the trend of using “human readable durations” like “a month ago”, just tell me the bloody date, I can figure out for myself. Outlook (Mac version at least) is the worst offender. For emails prior to the current day it will say for example just “yesterday” and it will only show you the time if you click on the email. I get dozens of mails per day, having just “yesterday” for 50 messages…

If you have your system time wrong somehow, GitLab will happily tell you a bug fix was closed in 4 hours' time.

Re: Firefox bug gets fixed after 25 years

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Post by perilunar » Thu, May 23, 2024, 5:51 AM UTC

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #46

Off topic but I really dislike the trend of using “human readable durations” like “a month ago”, just tell me the bloody date, I can figure out for myself. Outlook (Mac version at least) is the worst offender. For emails prior to the current day it will say for example just “yesterday” and it will only show you the time if you click on the email. I get dozens of mails per day, having just “yesterday” for 50 messages…

> just tell me the bloody date, I can figure out for myself.

But use ISO 8601 or a month name FFS — dd/mm or mm/dd is not always obvious.

Re: Firefox bug gets fixed after 25 years

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Post by jraph » Thu, May 23, 2024, 11:00 AM UTC

hu3 wrote: post #171

jraph wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When evidence is needed, "often correct enough" is not sufficient. You need reliable and correct for sure. I assume you understand how LLMs work? Probabilistic word generation? That can't possibly be used as a source. It literally works by making up things that look probable . It can be used to find a source, but you still need a source. The LLM might be correct often enough, but you'll only know the LLM is correct i…

> When evidence is needed... That's a big "when". Often it is not. Real life is often more maleable. For similar reasons I don't need aeronautical engineering to fix my kids bike. Good enough is good enough. > I never used it. You should try. If at least to have a more educated opinion on the matter.

> That's a big "when". Often it is not

I'm not implying frequency, and it does apply here, you cited ChatGPT as an evidence, in this very discussion. I'm speaking about this, specifically. This comment where you do this was downvoted and flagged to death. And I did mention LLM can be useful. What are you trying to do here?

Re: Firefox bug gets fixed after 25 years

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Post by Vegenoid » Thu, May 23, 2024, 5:32 PM UTC

qingcharles wrote: post #170

Vegenoid wrote: post #128

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I think the problem is that the mechanism to trigger mouse-hover is not clear on a touchscreen - there are several different ways that need to be remembered and tried, as evidenced by your comment.

I wonder if a solution on touch is a (?) icon next to the human date? Or is that too much clutter?

I like ? icons that can be either hovered or clicked on to reveal a popup with additional info.