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Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Not even this. It probably has a full-fledged browser pre-installed, making its classification as a general-purpose computer pretty obvious even for an average user, and far less "hackish" than otherwise.

Nintendo Switch doesn't even have an easily accessible Internet browser. In fact, I was not even sure it had one. I had to look it up and found this: https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/how-to-use-hidden-ninte... It would be difficult to make a case that the average user would see this as a general purpose computer.

It absolutely is a general purpose computer, one with it's capabilities hidden and restricted from the user.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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On Steam: If there's little yellow boxes in the right hand column, someone somewhere is reserving the right to ruin your day in some way. Helldivers 2 has three of them: DRM, Third party account, and third party EULA. Best avoid games with little yellow boxes, especially if you prefer just playing games vs legal drama. (And of course gog.com doesn't have any little yellow boxes)

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Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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I've always found it ridiculous that Sony is allowed to sell their consoles and games in my county without allowing me to create a PSN account. They even sell the digital PS5, which REQUIRES a PSN account to get any games. And then, even if you break their TOS and create an account in another country, you're still constantly inconvenienced - you can't pay for games using your local payment method, for example, and a…

Is it actually Sony selling their games or consoles in your country or is it 3rd party sellers who import them from elsewhere because there's demand? It is still shitty and annoying that stuff is geoblocked, be it games, movies, books, etc. But the two are pretty different.

If you have to distinguish this sounds like a rather twisted conception of property to begin with.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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> ...in favour of tightening the online service to make future development easier. I really doubt that there is a single technical reason behind the decision, it's more likely that it has been enforced by Sony business peeps.

There is a good technical reason behind that. As far as I can see crossplay doesn't work well at all in the game right now. Mostly issues where inviting friends to play is broken. This isn't surprising when you do not have a common identity system to fallback on for all players.

There are constent issues, but I have a large number of hours spent playing on my steam deck with a PS5 player.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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This really sucks for some people, but the true impact may be overreported and is definitely blown out of proportion by the review bombing. While all this is hugely controversial on reddit, if you look at steam charts, the player count did not take any obvious hit. In fact it follows the natural trend after every content release. So at least on steam the delisting seems to have affected almost no active players. It's…

Not if you consider the point of a review is to either alert people to an awesome game that could make them happier, or warn them that they shouldn't waste their time or money. The latter applies here.

The enforcement makes this game a waste of time and money for 170 countries.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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That's not how this market works. There is no homogenous group of gamers that can act together. Each year there is a new cohort of 11 years old that knows nothing of past publisher behaviour and wants the latest EA game for their birthday. For FIFA with the lootboxes etc there is the added factor that people buying those are for a big part a distinct group to other gamers, there are many guys that only play FIFA or t…

This makes me so mad. Every time I have to show my nieces or nephews how to play a game, and I have to show them all the fake buttons they have to avoid to manage to play it through the dark patterns. Even Windows, the OS, is full of traps now. You can't buy any software and have it pretend to be yours anymore. Used to be the case for free mobile games at first, now it's everywhere.

Just to say: This is avoidable. Ofc one can not give Windows to a child anymore, but there is Linux. For games on Android, of course one can't install games from the Play Store anymore, but there is F-Droid. And for regular PC games, there is still a big selection that works without or with very little micro transactions. And besides, the kids system should not be capable to make any purchases no matter where they click.

But I can completely relate that it is infuriating and that it takes a lot of filtering through the mainstream shit to manage this well.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Modern video games are scary like that. They arent designed for your fun necessarily, but rather addictive mechanism that keep you coming back. Obviously dopamine from slot machine mechanisms and winning. Oxytocin from online gaming... These companies know how to make addiction.

Let's be honest Helldivers 2 is a really good PvE game with AFAIK only cosmetics via microtransactions. It's not some addictive MMORPG to earn money from whales. Whole issue here is not about game at all, but about Sony being player hostile company and just plain breaking some customer protection laws.

Micro transactions allow easier unlocking of functional upgrades via "warbonds" that you buy eith premium currency "Super Credits". This currency is easily available in game and I have unlocked all the warbonds without any micro transactions. Even if you do buy the warbonds, you still need to play the game to earn "medals" to unlock the items within the warbond.

All in all, it is a pretty reasonable and non-exploitative monetization and is about the limit for what I would tolerate in a game I already paid for.

Re: Helldivers 2 Removed from Purchase on Steam in over 150 Countries

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Nintendo Switch doesn't even have an easily accessible Internet browser. In fact, I was not even sure it had one. I had to look it up and found this: https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/how-to-use-hidden-ninte... It would be difficult to make a case that the average user would see this as a general purpose computer.

It absolutely is a general purpose computer, one with it's capabilities hidden and restricted from the user.

It is a general purpose computer, except the "general purpose" part has been hidden and restricted from the user.

Therefore, not a "general purpose" computer anymore.

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