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Dear Europe, please wake up

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Re: Dear Europe, please wake up

#171

« But India is one country » I am sorry but this argument cannot be dismissed. The reason why Europe struggles to implement changes is precisely because it is not a single country but a large group of countries represented by complex bodies where politics strive.

This is the entire thrust of the article....

Re: Dear Europe, please wake up

#172
post #34

A reasonable article that proposes 1 EU Corps 2 Standard English language schooling Seems wise enough. What will it take?

I'm surprised that most of the comments seem to focus on other comparisons of EU and US, there's very little on those two points. Personally, I think that English as the lingua franca makes sense in many contexts, since that's pretty much the case in IT already. For example, trying to translate various terms in any given language from English usually causes inconvenience and confusion (everyone needs to know the loca…

In CEE (excluding Germany and Austria) sure, but not as much in Western Europe (eg. France or Germany).

I've had an easy time managing Eastern European employees in English, but Western European ones sucked at the language, and always had a bit of a complex surrounding English.

Re: Dear Europe, please wake up

#173
Genuine question - could someone give some insight on why the post was flagged? I found the article interesting and it wasn't my intention to divide the audience. If anything, I believe lots of the comments here contribute positively in forming a more educated and all-round view on the matter.

Re: Dear Europe, please wake up

#174
That hours worked chart is funny with Greece in 2nd place. Then you have the ones that work the least: Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, Luxembourg, etc.

Maybe next time take a look at this table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_labour_pr...

The countries at the back of "total hours worked" are at the top of "most productive per hour worked". These are also the countries that are doing very well economically.

Re: Dear Europe, please wake up

#175
post #31

I have no idea whether Europeans work harder than Americans, but I do want to say that you can't extrapolate the overall work ethic of America by looking at the SF tech world. It's a very, very small (and very privileged) microcosm of the country.

Heck you can't even generalize about American tech industry and only talk about SF tech world. Granted that generalization is done in America too. It's always a bit of a frustration running into constant comparisons, managers who want to emulate processes, and such when "Hey, you know what, we're not them... and we're doing well being ourselves." Not that you immediately dismiss new ideas because they seem to be from…

It really isn’t! A lot of the SV stuff on here is frankly baffling to the rest of the country.

Re: Dear Europe, please wake up

#176
post #47

This misses the big one: California bans non-competes, bans anti-moonlighting clauses and lets you quit with no notice. If you’re at an EU company and need to give 3+ months notice to quit that will discourage starting your own company on the side.

I have never seen a 3+ month notice to quit in the country I live, curious which country this happens in? Sounds extremely ridiculous if true

The notice period in Germany works both ways. Your employer must meet the notice period, and so do you.

You can ask your employer to let you go sooner if you want to leave, and they may ask you to leave sooner if they want you to leave (and pay you as an incentive). But it has to be by mutual agreement.

Usually they’d let you go sooner rather than later because they know you’ve already left mentally and they don’t want to pay for that. But they might also not, not necessarily out of spite but because they have a deadline and they think they still need your warm body.

Re: Dear Europe, please wake up

#177

Genuine question - could someone give some insight on why the post was flagged? I found the article interesting and it wasn't my intention to divide the audience. If anything, I believe lots of the comments here contribute positively in forming a more educated and all-round view on the matter.

Some people got butthurt or felt overly defensive.

Re: Dear Europe, please wake up

#178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are not providing critical infrastructure and people will not die, it's just you losing money, because your business is structured in a wrong way. You did it to yourself and should not expect people on salary to bear the cost of your wrong decisions. If you do provide critical infrastructure and people will die, it's also not my problem, because there will be a law requiring you to hire an SRE and a regulator…

You're entitled to your opinion, just like I am entitled not hire you and hire an Israeli, Czech, Pole, or Indian for the same salary (and I have). Btw, I'm in the cybersecurity space, so a Tier 1 escalation generally means nation state attack or business stopping attack on a customer. > You did it to yourself and should not expect people on salary to bear the cost of your wrong decisions. Plenty of escalations are d…

Sure, escalations are result of mistakes people make. This is why businesses exists -- they have processes, quality control and all that stuff that ensures reliable outcome while consisting of individually unreliable things. That's the whole point and that's what you are supposed to get right. There are different strategies, and hiring people from exploitable jurisdictions is one. As all obvious strategies it has downsides and it will also stop working at some point in future which may be irrelevant for you.

Re: Dear Europe, please wake up

#179
post #137

I have no idea whether Europeans work harder than Americans, but I do want to say that you can't extrapolate the overall work ethic of America by looking at the SF tech world. It's a very, very small (and very privileged) microcosm of the country.

To be fair, the author wrote about tech workers in SV specifically, not about the "overall work with of America" (which btw is a continent, not a country). The hero arc story is true and has to do with large Protestant population.

There is no continent called America.

Re: Dear Europe, please wake up

#180

The EU does not have an equivalent of US commerce clause jurisprudence (which descends from Hamilton's original economic design to prevent exactly the kinds of problems that this author is complaining about). The EU does have an equivalent to the supremacy clause, but due to cultural and political forces it cannot have the same effect that it has in the US. Another major factor that makes the US more competitive is o…

The counter proposal is for sure more realistic compared to the expectation of not having 2 hour lunch break and closing laptop at 4 pm.
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