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Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by blackmesaind »

gadders wrote: post #164
blackmesaind wrote: post #162

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Unless it's investigative in nature, even the best interviewers still don't take the spotlight. Larry King, on his interview technique, said "The key of interviewing is listening. I hate interviewers who come with a long list of prepared questions, because they're going to depend on going from the fourth question to the fifth question without listening to the answer" Though I can't say I blame the interviewer. If I s…

Yeah, but I assumed that the interview was done via email. I could be wrong.

Very true. The medium changes a lot with email interviews (interviewer sends all / many questions at once, rather than a back & forth), and would explain a lot of the behavior. Doesn't excuse a lack of understanding of the person he's interviewing and the types of questions that would give him something to stand on.

I saw some instances of there being responses / references to previous answers inside the interviewer's questions, though, which led me to believe otherwise.

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by [deleted] »

basil-rash wrote: post #145
tyingq wrote: post #138

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It's an action though, "the time that XXX'ed them". Birthed fits there well, berthed does not. Had it said "the time they were berthed to" I would understand your point better. Perhaps you're right and it was remembered or quoted wrong, and the word really is "berthed", but it wouldn't have been just the one word remembered incorrectly.

There is no categorical semantic difference between "berthed" and "birthed". They are both past participle tense verbs and fit equally well with no changes needed to the rest of the sentence. Perhaps you simply have more experience hearing birthed in that context and perceive it to fit better? But in reality they really are grammatically identical.

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Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by lanternfish »

rpmisms wrote: post #169
lanternfish wrote: post #159

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In America, captital-B Black is usually used to refer to people who were forcefully disconnected from their ancestry by the imposition of slavery. In many theoretical frameworks, it is an entirely new ethnic group by virtue of their original ethnicity being severed and the forced co-reculturalization through slavery and the subsequent (and continuing) power structures that forcefully and implicitly group them togethe…

Except that it also contains recent Ugandan immigrants who moved here by choice and work as surgeons. Just like white, it's a big umbrella and rough category.

I agree that there's complexity there, but it's worth noting that it is a point of moderate contention whether those immigrants share the Black identity or just the black identity. More knowledgeable theorists than myself (and notably those actually party to these identities) have discussed this at more depth, and I recommend digging into it if you're interested.

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by rpmisms »

lanternfish wrote: post #173
rpmisms wrote: post #169

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Except that it also contains recent Ugandan immigrants who moved here by choice and work as surgeons. Just like white, it's a big umbrella and rough category.

I agree that there's complexity there, but it's worth noting that it is a point of moderate contention whether those immigrants share the Black identity or just the black identity. More knowledgeable theorists than myself (and notably those actually party to these identities) have discussed this at more depth, and I recommend digging into it if you're interested.

I'm not digging into racial pseudoscience, nor do I have any interest in such. Are these the same types of people who say that being on time and respectful are "white" values? Those people are stupid and/or malicious.

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by mock-possum »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #74
AlotOfReading wrote: post #28

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Yes, you can speak like this. People are just going to think you're pretentious. This is the sort of language you use with specific audiences. The interviewer and the interviewee are simply using language for mutually exclusive audiences.

Somehow a particular audience in the Bay Area decided that they must be the only ones with a voice.

What is ‘in the bay area’ code for

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by Amezarak »

basil-rash wrote: post #170
Amezarak wrote: post #154

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To be clear, the usage you're describing is so rare as to be practically nonexistent. You would never use it this way if you were familiar with the word and its usage, only if you knew the word from dictionaries. Look at the rarity even for saying something like "the crew berthed the ship." You just don't say it like that. Yes, someone "could" do it and we'd understand what they meant. But there's no reason to believ…

I really don't care to discuss this further, but all your points are addressed somewhere in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40150716 Good day.

The fact that "berthed" in that context may be grammatical but is not used that way is not.

Tweet the author. I am very confident in this.

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by Dudhbbh3343 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #124
Dudhbbh3343 wrote: post #86

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You and your link make reasonable arguments for capitalizing black, but I don't see any justification (other than to be contrary to supremacist groups) for not doing the same for white, which leaves it inconsistent with the naming of all other racial/ethnic groups.

It's a complicated matter and I'm not the right person to make any statements about it, but on the one side, we have white sub-groups like Irish or Italian. On the other, grouping all Black sub-groups under one moniker seems overly abstract as well. That said, it works for the debate of racism etc in the US, which affects people of color, not so much the various white groups.

> have white sub-groups like Irish or Italian

Right, but are those sub-groups still all that relevant in the context of race in America?

It's been a long time since Irish-Americans have been treated differently than British-Americans, for example.

I would say grouping all white sub-groups together makes as much sense as grouping all black or Asian sub-groups together because generally racial dynamics today are viewed as occurring between White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, and Native American groups. Further granularity is rarely considered in informal language.

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by emchammer »

lanternfish wrote: post #159
rpmisms wrote: post #105

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Black isn't an ethnic group either. There are black people from Africa, Pacific islands, Australia, South America, and India. It's a descriptor, not an immutable category that defines you, and it's uniquely used here in America.

In America, captital-B Black is usually used to refer to people who were forcefully disconnected from their ancestry by the imposition of slavery. In many theoretical frameworks, it is an entirely new ethnic group by virtue of their original ethnicity being severed and the forced co-reculturalization through slavery and the subsequent (and continuing) power structures that forcefully and implicitly group them togethe…

What if I am writing capital-B Black out of respect, though, for that unique ethnic group? Like, even if I recognize that I was part of the problem, or that is somehow still not ideal, but I am trying to make the situation a little bit better?

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by basil-rash »

Amezarak wrote: post #176
basil-rash wrote: post #170

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I really don't care to discuss this further, but all your points are addressed somewhere in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40150716 Good day.

The fact that "berthed" in that context may be grammatical but is not used that way is not. Tweet the author. I am very confident in this.

That is indeed the entire point of the thread. I fear your reading comprehension is not up to this task.

Anyways, I don’t have a twitter but you can feel free.

Re: I now lack the juice to fuel the bluster to conceal that I am a simpleton

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Post by lanternfish »

rpmisms wrote: post #174
lanternfish wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that there's complexity there, but it's worth noting that it is a point of moderate contention whether those immigrants share the Black identity or just the black identity. More knowledgeable theorists than myself (and notably those actually party to these identities) have discussed this at more depth, and I recommend digging into it if you're interested.

I'm not digging into racial pseudoscience, nor do I have any interest in such. Are these the same types of people who say that being on time and respectful are "white" values? Those people are stupid and/or malicious.

This isn't psuedoscience because it's not trying to be science. It's theoretical analysis - entirely different tradition.
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