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Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by Aloisius »

junto wrote: post #64

I question the competency of any CEO that enforces people return to the office on a whim. We have crossed the rubicon on remote work. The shift has been well and truly paradigmed. To choose to restrict your candidate pool to a small geographical location, pay relocation, pay higher salaries, have a lower employee NPS, have higher company carbon emissions, whilst your competitors have a much larger non-geographically…

I'm rather amazed at the short-sightedness of the highly paid engineers here who don't see the dangers of full remote actually being adopted.

If a company is no longer limited to just hiring people physically nearby, then you're competing for jobs against a whole lot of people who'd accept much lower salaries.

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Post by charlie0 »

joeax wrote: post #162
charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

Thank you for saying the quiet part out loud. I read articles stating that "the majority want hybrid", but what people truly want is freedom to work wherever it suits them best. I've been remote for 15 years, and I've seen people that want the connection an office provides, and others (like me) prefer to never set foot in an office again. Just look around at the other comments and you read differing preferences. And…

True, but the quarterly thing doesn't have to be a requirement and the beauty of of is that 3 months is a decent amount of time to plan for who's going and who is no going. I'd leave it to people to decide if they want to attend every quarter, or every 6 months or every year.

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Post by charlie0 »

straydusk wrote: post #146
charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

> I get this wouldn't work as well for those with families Your whole post is a series of contradictions where you hand wave gigantic problems and exaggerate small ones

Such as?

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by sojournerc »

derwiki wrote: post #165
sojournerc wrote: post #143

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How do you wake up and go to work with this attitude? I've been nihilistic, but don't you think you should spend your short time on this planet doing something that matters, at least marginally? And if not, maybe make a change?

Do something outside of work that matters

I don't disagree, but maybe both? Also do work that matters if you can... We only have so many trips around the sun

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by rokkitmensch »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #70
iraqmtpizza wrote: post #52

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Code monkeys need conference rooms twice a month

I often have to hide from folks who want to interrupt me doing my work so I can do their work for them. If I turn them down I get a bad peer review and get labelled a "Jerk" (no jerks allowed!). If I help them, I don't get to begin doing my own work till 5PM.

Surely there's a ticketing system you can abuse to defend your time?

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by charlie0 »

alsetmusic wrote: post #158
jltsiren wrote: post #140

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I find quarterly retreats worse than hybrid. You lose control of your life, if you have to travel for a week or two every quarter, with the dates set by the employer. I don't mind business travel as such, but I expect to be the one who decides if the trip is worth doing.

My previous employer brought everyone to town for a week with only two days counting g toward the retreat. I really loved the social aspect of it, getting to know people from other states whose role meant I’d never really interacted with them. I found out a guy who I’d thought of as a liability was actually a really great guy. Food and drinks as a team ftw. (We were a ~25 person team; our small size was a major contr…

Exactly, this can definitely work under the right conditions and unlike the weekly hybrid model, you don't actually have to live 1-2 hours from where you work.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by charlie0 »

aantix wrote: post #150
orwin wrote: post #149

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My hybrid work is 2 days a month (one day every two weeks rather) and this allow me to live ~ 480km away from my office (300 miles), on the coast. Basically 3h10 by train+metro, which make the day quite tiring.

Man, two days a month? If you lived near a major airport with a direct flight, you could live almost anywhere.

I had the reverse of this where I worked in-office all week, but spent the weekend in an entirely different city with my girlfriend. It was never meant to be a long term arrangement as I was staying with my family during the work-week, but it can work. It was a new job and I timed it well as 6 months after I started , COVID hit and everyone went remote.

Flights were in state and I was buying them ahead of time, so I got them for cheaper than an Amtrak ticket.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by ndkxmwnrbto »

sojournerc wrote: post #143
ndkxmwnrbto wrote: post #61

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your projects aren’t actually important

How do you wake up and go to work with this attitude? I've been nihilistic, but don't you think you should spend your short time on this planet doing something that matters, at least marginally? And if not, maybe make a change?

the time i spend with my wife and kids is what matters. work is just a means to provide for them. in fact im currently not working because i quit my job for a while to spend time with them full time. this matters more to me than service health metrics and kpis

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by Staple_Diet »

charlie0 wrote: post #15

Hybrid work is the worst of both worlds. Can't move out of a HCOL and now you have to co-ordinate with your co-workers to reap any "benefits" of being in-office. What would be really cool is reconceptualizing hybrid work as quarterly retreats, where the company provides housing and other amenities for 1 to 2 weeks every quarter. This gives everyone time to bond and work on harder problems. I get this wouldn't work as…

I work for a large org with several offices across the country. You can work in a local team (i.e., immediate supervisor is in the office next to you) or in a remote team (i.e., your boss might be in another state, and team distributed amongst three locations). I've done both and am currently in the latter. We run weekly online meetings for the team, plus weekly project specific meetings. Then about every 2 months my boss and his boss fly over for an informal fireside with anyone in the team at my location. This approach seems to work well if not better than the local team approach. In both cases we are hybrid but in my case I have no reason, and thus no pressure, to attend the office more than once a week.

Re: Defeated CEOs are now conceding hybrid working is here to stay

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Post by billy99k »

jeremyjh wrote: post #46
lolinder wrote: post #17

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Is there any evidence that this is actually happening and going undetected in large enough numbers for it to be rational to allow the possibility to dictate the official remote/not-remote policy of large companies? This feels more like a meme that circulates among management/executive types than it does an actual problem in the real world.

It has a pretty active subreddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/

While this is happening, I don't think it's happening at a large enough scale to matter or long enough timespan. Most people burn out after a year or so of working multiple jobs. It's posted all the time in /overemployed.
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