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Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Funny, on my gaming windows computer I turn off my OLED monitor BEFORE I turn off the computer to let it do its special processing reliably. I’ve had the opposite issue to yours, several windows will remain on the turned off monitor! I have that one on HDMI and the second monitor on a DP connection.

HDMI monitors don't report being disconnected when turned off.

Well that explains it! Maybe I should switch my main to DP and my backup to HDMI.

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On this topic, what’s the best hardware and software to connect to a TV (assuming via HDMI) that allows for running apps for all the usual streaming platform suspects? It doesn’t even have to provide a combined search list. Just something to act as the base OS and launcher for each platform. I know what I want to watch and presumably which one provides it. I just want something to attach to my dumb TV that can play t…

Apple TV is the closest.

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It's transient: a vendor goes too far, countermeasures follow, then economic consequences.

That only works with real competition. How’s the ink jet printer industry doing these days? Yeah. If everyone does it the only fix is a law. And clearly we don’t pass those anymore.

On the video front, low-cost and legal HDMI splitters and downconverters have appeared in recent years.

HDMI includes multiple protocols: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31828193

HDMI blocked recent AMD contribution: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39543291

Ink jet printing is protected by patents. They will expire eventually.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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post #168

On this topic, what’s the best hardware and software to connect to a TV (assuming via HDMI) that allows for running apps for all the usual streaming platform suspects? It doesn’t even have to provide a combined search list. Just something to act as the base OS and launcher for each platform. I know what I want to watch and presumably which one provides it. I just want something to attach to my dumb TV that can play t…

Yes, a small-form-factor PC. You can get a decent one for under $200.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/what-i-learned-when-...

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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post #168

On this topic, what’s the best hardware and software to connect to a TV (assuming via HDMI) that allows for running apps for all the usual streaming platform suspects? It doesn’t even have to provide a combined search list. Just something to act as the base OS and launcher for each platform. I know what I want to watch and presumably which one provides it. I just want something to attach to my dumb TV that can play t…

Apple TV seems to be the closest thing available. No home-screen/screensaver/random ads, but I only really launch Plex (looking into Jellyfin eventually), and streaming apps like Disney+.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Anyone who cares at all about their privacy wouldn't have a roku TV to start with. Roku is one of the most invasive companies there is. Their devices take multiple screenshots of whatever is on your screen every second and then uploads those images to their servers to be scrutinized so that they can make assumptions about you as a person. If you have a Roku TV they can do that for any non-roku device you're using too.

LG, Samsung, and Skyworth TVs have also injected popup ads over games/DVDs/Blurays/whatever. LG's OLED monitors have even been pushing ads on PC users.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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you will live to see enshittification beyond your comprehension

It's transient: a vendor goes too far, countermeasures follow, then economic consequences.

It doesn't work that way anymore and people need to understand the old rules are gone. We've passed an inflection point where a few companies have dipped their toes into extreme enshittification or excessive price increases and survived, so we're seeing the start of a free for all. Think of Reddit and Twitter doing user hostile shit starting last year, and fast food raising prices beyond the point where it's a discount relative to better food anymore.

A critical mass of consumers is now so passive and docile that they don't change behavior as they're boiled alive.

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It's really not that simple. Google, Tizen, and WebOS are the major TV players, with Roku also somewhere in the mix. All three of these companies do some level of surveillance, and yet they, or another proprietary device, are often required to watch streaming services. You can argue that streaming services are unnecessary, but that means both spending a lot of time and money on physical media, or simply missing out,…

The answer is to buy a computer monitor and just watch on your PC.

Don't all PC's come with HDMI now?

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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post #168

On this topic, what’s the best hardware and software to connect to a TV (assuming via HDMI) that allows for running apps for all the usual streaming platform suspects? It doesn’t even have to provide a combined search list. Just something to act as the base OS and launcher for each platform. I know what I want to watch and presumably which one provides it. I just want something to attach to my dumb TV that can play t…

Apple TV is a decent option. It's got default apps for Apple's content platforms, of course, but they're easy to ignore. Default screensaver is tasteful aerial videos (no ads), and the home screen layout can be customized to stash the default apps away in a folder.

You don't need to own other Apple devices to use an Apple TV. If you do, though, there's some convenient integrations, like being able to use an iPhone as a remote, play audio through your AirPods, or stream audio/video from your phone or computer to the TV.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's transient: a vendor goes too far, countermeasures follow, then economic consequences.

It doesn't work that way anymore and people need to understand the old rules are gone. We've passed an inflection point where a few companies have dipped their toes into extreme enshittification or excessive price increases and survived, so we're seeing the start of a free for all. Think of Reddit and Twitter doing user hostile shit starting last year, and fast food raising prices beyond the point where it's a discou…

> Fast food raising prices beyond the point where it's a discount relative to better food anymore. A critical mass of consumers is now so passive and docile that they don't change behavior as they're boiled alive.

Sad and self-correcting by self-eliminating consumers. But that will take time and smaller markets are a net negative for the survivors.

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