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Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by overstay8930 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #158
overstay8930 wrote: post #156

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> Android allows sideloading since forever and nothing like that ever happened there. That's because developers don't care about android. There's not enough money to push an alternative App Store for the amount of work it takes. Now that apple was forced to do it, now consumers are pretty much screwed if they want to use an app and care about privacy. Just like when Apple opened up payments, it was never about "consu…

>That's because developers don't care about android. There's not enough money to push an alternative App Store for the amount of work it takes. Impressive how you managed to write to consecutive false statement in a single paragraph. >Man you are gullible. And you are mistaken. Please provide some sources or arguments instead of attacking others and spreading false claims.

Android users spend very little on apps, iOS users spend more, that’s why iPhones get better quality software first, with better features and performance. Google’s own apps run better on iphones than on most android phones.

There are plenty of iOS only apps most people would switch for, but Android is the phone people buy if they can’t afford an iPhone.

There’s a reason iphone penetration rises with discretionary income.

case in point: there was no Epic Games Store until it was allowed on iOS. Do you honestly think tthe market cares about android at all?

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by overstay8930 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #159
overstay8930 wrote: post #157

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It is a statistic, why else do you think iOS is as locked down as it is, and Android is doing the same thing? You are assuming competence where there is none. Do you honestly think the average person knows how to use a smartphone? That they will take time out of their day to know what the things they are pressing are actually doing?

>It is a statistic Where? Can you share it? >Android is doing the same thing Where? Last time I checked I can still install adblockers outside of Google Play Store.

Are you asking me if locked down devices are more secure when someone who doesn’t know how to use said device is using it? Really?

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by _factor »

happymellon wrote: post #166
_factor wrote: post #148

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Apple does a lot of things right, for better or worse. Want copy paste? It’s consistent across the whole system because you have one choice. You don’t have to guess how the pop up is going to work beyond context. Other more open platforms get messy and fragmented hoping the developer chose a good implementation. Want encrypted messaging? Easy, just talk to other iPhones. Want less infection risk? Live in Apple’s wall…

I'm pretty sure I have a consistent copy/paste experience on my Fedora laptop, despite it being "open". Do you have examples of a "fragmented experience"? > I get less calls from grandparents asking for iOS assistance than Android, the interface is more intuitively laid out. I'm trying to think of a time that either my parents or grandparents called for support on Android. On iOS I've had plenty of questions posed, t…

Android is a good example. Open a few different apps an note the pop up diffeences base on whatever API was used.

The biggest questions were widgets and audio issues. Apps they couldn’t find etc. I’m not advocating for Apple, but their system does have a few advantages that open source projects could take cues from.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

closewith wrote: post #72
cromka wrote: post #53

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Neither is NYC, Philadelphia or Chicago! Meanwhile you can easily get a gun in Scandinavia or Switzerland or Czechia. Not a good example, to be honest.

> Meanwhile you can easily get a gun in Scandinavia or Switzerland or Czechia. Easily is doing a lot of work in that sentence.

It goes like this: fill in a form, get a certificate from the police saying you are a person in good standing, buy a gun.

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Post by cjk2 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #145
cjk2 wrote: post #134

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Both my father and my mother got their banks ripped off by keyloggers on both an android handset and a windows computer separate occasions. They have been divorced for 30 years and do not even live near or speak to each other. The only thing that keeps them safe these days is iOS.

That sounds terrible indeed, I'm sorry to hear that, but anecdotes don't make a statistic. For example my parents had always been tech illiterate android and windows users and never got hacked or robbed online. >The only thing that keeps them safe these days is iOS. BS. If a resourceful and motivated actor wants to phish your credentials they can do it even if you use iOS as well. They can call you and impersonate yo…

I really dislike the anecdotes don't make a statistic line. As an actual qualified mathematician it pisses me off that my field is used in vain to discard experience.

I mean would you ok if I waltzed into the middle of a town square and shot a load of people and said "well statistically you'll all be fine"?

No I'm sure you wouldn't. It is not ok that anyone gets shot or their system ripped off with a keylogger. Not one! And that means there needs to be technical measures which prevent it. If your line of thinking was a valid approach, we wouldn't have locks.

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Post by dagmx »

themoonisachees wrote: post #83
dagmx wrote: post #68

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These are Apple notarized apps. As with macOS, they still have to both be signed and go through some verification , but they don’t apply any of the other App Store rules to it.

Well, except that they do. TFA says that the clipboard app in question had to include a map because it requires a dirty workaround to stay active in the background, at apple's demands. Yes, they're not "app store rules" and they're "notarization rules" but the end result is the same, they could choose to make those rules the same and yeah maybe a European court could force them to comply but in reality land apple has…

You’re conflating two things.

There’s App Store rules and then there’s system rules (security, multitasking etc).

The DMA only side steps the former not the latter. The issue in the article is the latter.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by dagmx »

nottorp wrote: post #125
dagmx wrote: post #68

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These are Apple notarized apps. As with macOS, they still have to both be signed and go through some verification , but they don’t apply any of the other App Store rules to it.

> go through some verification Yep. "Some" verification. Random and arbitrary as Apple's verification is known to be. How many times have you read about a dev who had an app rejected, resubmitted it with no changes and had it approved? How many times have you read about rejections without a clear motive and any further explanation?

And how many times have you heard about someone rejected from notorization?

It’s been a thing for years now on Mac with many, many notarized apps.

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Post by Rinzler89 »

overstay8930 wrote: post #172
Rinzler89 wrote: post #159

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>It is a statistic Where? Can you share it? >Android is doing the same thing Where? Last time I checked I can still install adblockers outside of Google Play Store.

Are you asking me if locked down devices are more secure when someone who doesn’t know how to use said device is using it? Really?

I'm asking you to prove the statistics of people being hacked in larger numbers because of open handsets, not that theoretically locked down ones seem more secure.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by themoonisachees »

dagmx wrote: post #176
themoonisachees wrote: post #83

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Well, except that they do. TFA says that the clipboard app in question had to include a map because it requires a dirty workaround to stay active in the background, at apple's demands. Yes, they're not "app store rules" and they're "notarization rules" but the end result is the same, they could choose to make those rules the same and yeah maybe a European court could force them to comply but in reality land apple has…

You’re conflating two things. There’s App Store rules and then there’s system rules (security, multitasking etc). The DMA only side steps the former not the latter. The issue in the article is the latter.

Sure, but as long as apple will play hardball like they're clearly doing, they could very well enforce app store rules as app signing rules and it'd be years before the eu would force them to stop, not even counting on the fact that current app signing rules are already insane.

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Post by fsflover »

shiroiushi wrote: post #16
nickburns wrote: post #8

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at least some of Apple's chickens would finally appear to be coming home to roost, and us in-the-know Americans appreciate those in-the-know Europeans for leading the charge (on both this antitrust protection and separately, GDPR/privacy regulation as well).

The Europeans have done some good work on things like privacy, but as for Apple and their app store, it's really trivial to simply not buy an iPhone . There are lots and lots of other phones out there that aren't nearly as monopolistic in their treatment of users.

> it's really trivial to simply not buy an iPhone

Only if you don't care about your privacy at all: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39935888

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