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Re: Thoughts on Vision Pro

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Post by actionfromafar »

m463 wrote: post #138
actionfromafar wrote: post #37

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Try hanging up a call on your smartphone and your counterpart hanged up a a fraction of a second before you. Now you call someone (pretty deep down) in your recent call list. Or click "Connect to Bluetooth headset" in Windows. Congratulations, your headset just connected itself, so you now you disconnected it. Just brilliant, overall.

My mother got her first iphone years ago and was just petrified of the phone app. I couldn't blame her. You touch ANYTHING, even the spam caller in recent calls, and it immediately calls. why oh why can't there be a setting - on by default - confirm before dialing?

I mean, the horizontal middle of the screen could be "dead" and a call only only initiated to the left or right.

Or whatever. There are many solutions and they chose to go for one of the most frustrating designs possible.

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Post by LordDragonfang »

anon373839 wrote: post #158
LordDragonfang wrote: post #87

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So, to gather anecdata, a question to you: do you wear corrective lenses or contacts in your day-to-day life? I never said I couldn't tell the difference between my corrected vision and the vision pro. But it's probably close to as clear as my uncorrected vision, which is how I experience life the majority of time . In a very real way, it is lifelike. My reaction to the cover coming off is "oh, I don't have my glasse…

> my uncorrected vision, which is how I experience life the majority of time Is this common? I have myopia and I wear my contacts 100% of my waking hours. I can’t tolerate being without them, and can’t really tolerate glasses either.

My prescription is low enough that I don't need my glasses for close-up things like my own computer monitor (it actually gives me a little bit of eyestrain). And since I can walk around inside just fine without them, I usually don't bother putting them on when I'm at home unless I'm watching TV, and don't bother wearing them in the office if I'm not in a (face to face) meeting where I need to see someone else's screen.

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Post by imzadi »

shrubble wrote: post #103
imzadi wrote: post #64

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I'm a bit of a VR enthusiast. I have 8 headsets (DK1, Quest 1, Quest 2, Oculus Go, Vive Pro 2, HP Reverb G2, Pico 4, Pimax Crystal). I will easily spend 2 - 6 hours a day in VR. That said, I just refuse to play any game with a stupid movement system. If I can't use my control to move around, I am not going to play the game. It's great to have those options for people who want them, but when a game tries to force me t…

Is there anything good enough to substitute for a 1080p monitor for a lengthy period of time?

The Pico 4 is actually a really good headset. It's not officially released in the US market, but can be imported from EU sellers, which is how I got mine. The resolution is pretty good and good enough to replace a monitor, imo. I've used it with the Immersed app and liked it. It's also really small and light compared to other headsets.

The Pimax Crystal has great resolution and virtually no glare, but it is too heavy and bulky to wear for extended periods of time.

At work, I have setup and support the Meta Quest 3. It's also a good headset, but I don't feel compelled to get one at all. The visuals comfort are on par with the Pico 4, but the Pico 4 is cheaper and not dragged down by the Meta software. Though, it should be noted that I use it for PCVR almost exclusively with Virtual Desktop.

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Post by drozycki »

taeric wrote: post #163
drozycki wrote: post #117

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I want the full Mac experience while sitting in an Eames lounge chair at the office or at home. A laptop forces you to look towards your lap, while a headset would allow you to make full use of the headrest as you gaze at the ceiling. I am young and healthy, with the Aeron chair, Ergotron VESA arm, adjustable desk, etc. all dialed in, and yet my body aches after the sixth hour of computer use. So I look forward to ha…

Something tells me your neck would ache after the sixth hour of a headset on it. Though, I'm largely sympathetic to the idea. I get that looking down feels off. Oddly, I'd also wager it is more similar to how things have historically been done. Used to writing and such was much more "at hand level" than it was elevated. Even physical work is often such that you are looking down more than up. Sucks to say, but it is a…

The best practice is to vary your posture throughout the day. Think two hours sitting at desk, two hours standing, two hours lounging in the headset. I take breaks as needed but there’s value in a new technology enabling one to work for longer ie new tech unlocking productivity gains is generally desirable. I should mention that I am tall, and that laptop in lap gets less comfortable the longer your torso is.

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Post by newaccount74 »

JohnFen wrote: post #165
spike021 wrote: post #132

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> Real families want to share quality family time in the real world, not “content” You've never gone on a nice trip and then when back home with relatives streamed photos/video of that trip to a TV to share?

I've never done this, nor has any of my friends or family. Not attaching any sort of value judgement to this one way or another, but just saying that it isn't a universally common sort of activity.

Showing photos and videos to friends and family is a pretty common thing to do?

In the 90ies most people just passed prints around, or if it was pictures of a special occasion people would pass a photo album around. The more elaborate version would be inviting people to look at slides on a projector.

Nowadays most people show photos and videos on their mobile phone, and if you are fancy you put them on a TV with Airplay or Chromecast (or whatever the Android version is called).

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Post by newaccount74 »

tpmoney wrote: post #162
m463 wrote: post #138

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My mother got her first iphone years ago and was just petrified of the phone app. I couldn't blame her. You touch ANYTHING, even the spam caller in recent calls, and it immediately calls. why oh why can't there be a setting - on by default - confirm before dialing?

It’s not the specific solution you want (and that would be a good one to have) but one option might be enabling the touch accommodations in the accessibility settings and increasing the touch delay slightly so that it takes a more deliberate touch to activate. Downside is that it applies across the whole system and applies to typing on the keyboard too

It won't help at all. The problem is that Apple seems to hate explicit buttons, so you never know what tapping something will do. Here's an example in the phone app:

- in the contacts tab, tapping a contact will show details

- in the call list tab, tapping a contact will call them

There is no way to know ahead of time. You have to try it out, and then remember that the two tabs behave differently.

I have accidentally called people when I just wanted to look at their contact details more than once, and I've been using an iPhone for 15 years or so.

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Post by mlajtos »

kaliqt wrote: post #28
Rinzler89 wrote: post #13

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>This whole idea of "locking in" to VR and closing out the outside world needs to go away. Why? >True AR that doesn't remove you from the world is the only future for these devices. Again, why? What if I want to be removed? I bought my VR headset during the pandemic precisely for indoor escapism. I want to be transported and immersed into another universe, not see AR stuff floating around between the same four walls…

I think you're both misunderstanding how this works. AR should be without the light seal, VR should be with the light seal, simple as that.

Exactly!

(Until the lens cups your whole eye socket and delivers your natural FOV.)

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Post by taeric »

drozycki wrote: post #174
taeric wrote: post #163

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Something tells me your neck would ache after the sixth hour of a headset on it. Though, I'm largely sympathetic to the idea. I get that looking down feels off. Oddly, I'd also wager it is more similar to how things have historically been done. Used to writing and such was much more "at hand level" than it was elevated. Even physical work is often such that you are looking down more than up. Sucks to say, but it is a…

The best practice is to vary your posture throughout the day. Think two hours sitting at desk, two hours standing, two hours lounging in the headset. I take breaks as needed but there’s value in a new technology enabling one to work for longer ie new tech unlocking productivity gains is generally desirable. I should mention that I am tall, and that laptop in lap gets less comfortable the longer your torso is.

Right, I try not to be too prescriptive, so apologies for taking the worst read of what you said and assuming you wanted to be in the headset straight 6 hours. :D

I'm not short, so I definitely appreciate having a desk where my monitors let me hold my head higher. I just don't know how much the extra monitor space really helps me. Especially tough as any change in setup usually gives me an initial boost.

I find the VR ideas interesting, but I am rather turned off from the ideas that were shown in the advertising for this one. Games and maybe in flight use seem nice. Games I already have with the psvr2. In flight... I just don't fly that often. Everything else, my home is way too chaotic for some of it, maybe?

At any rate, annoyed with myself for seeming like I'm attacking your idea here. That was rude of me. I'm genuinely curious on what got people to pick this up over other VR solutions. I think VR has gotten way better than folks realize and that most people have written it off.

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Post by JohnFen »

newaccount74 wrote: post #175
JohnFen wrote: post #165

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I've never done this, nor has any of my friends or family. Not attaching any sort of value judgement to this one way or another, but just saying that it isn't a universally common sort of activity.

Showing photos and videos to friends and family is a pretty common thing to do? In the 90ies most people just passed prints around, or if it was pictures of a special occasion people would pass a photo album around. The more elaborate version would be inviting people to look at slides on a projector. Nowadays most people show photos and videos on their mobile phone, and if you are fancy you put them on a TV with Airp…

It appears to me that this is a culturally dependent sort of thing, which is why I said it isn't "universally common" rather than it isn't common.

For instance, I'm a graybeard and in my entire life, I've only seen people do that a couple of times. And even then, the people being shown the media were putting up with it out of politeness. What people in my part of the US tend to do is tell the stories of the trip rather than show pictures. People here usually don't want to see pictures or video, they want to hear the stories.

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Post by Eugr »

taeric wrote: post #82
Eugr wrote: post #66

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It's a very good XR headset. My primary use is to use it as a portable display, so I'm not chained to my desk all day. Also great for travel. Great to watch movies too. Since it runs most iPad apps, it can be used for some light productivity workflows even without a Mac. You can use Bluetooth keyboard if you need to type a lot, but the virtual keyboard is surprisingly decent for quick replies.

I'd be interested in seeing stats on how often people actually "get away from their desk" in a way that needs a computer. Specifically ways that aren't already covered by a phone.

I work from home, so I like to move around the house during the day or even work outside, which is surprisingly great with AVP as there are no reflections on the screen. Also, my lounge chair is vastly more comfortable than my desk chair, and with AVP I can maintain a good posture while keeping my laptop on my lap.
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