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Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by PennRobotics »

exitzer0 wrote: post #113
RajT88 wrote: post #103

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I have had a few surfaces for work. They are actually really nice hardware, but the Surface Book had one design flaw, which would periodically disconnect USB headsets. That was my only real complaint. I would say the comparison to Macbooks is fair.

the special firmware that microsoft uses in these machines breaks network, USB, anything that you attach to it. it just can't get power management right. I've been saddled with one of these for 5+ years and it just never got better.

Imagine: If Microsoft pushed so hard for Modern Standby and even THEY cannot get it right, why should you trust any laptop designed for Windows to have proper power management?

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Post by pathartl »

snom380 wrote: post #161
neodymiumphish wrote: post #131

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Completely agree that Apple does the exact same stuff with account management and iCloud notifications, but I don’t understand where these arguments keep coming from that Apple is more costly. The 13.5 sLaptop 6 for Business is, i5/8gb/256gb is $1200 Compare that the 14” MBP (M3/8gb/512gb) for $1600. The diff in SSD storage offsets some of the cost, but not the whole $400 However, the 13” MacBook Air with the same sp…

Does Apple require an Apple ID/iCloud account to set up a Mac? I thought that was a difference with windows 11?

Windows 11 changed the OOBE to have users sign in, though this can be bypassed fairly easily if you're tech-literate. Sometimes for installs I'll bypass, other times I'll log in with a Microsoft account, then create a local user, switch to that user, and then delete the computer account for the MS account.

My original comment was that macOS is no better. They require an account for downloading any app on the app store. The Microsoft store does not require one.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

HackerLemon wrote: post #115
Ecstatify wrote: post #98

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After getting a Mac I’ll never purchase a Windows device again. + Terrible battery + Terrible build quality + Terrible support + Noise of fan having a stroke

Every single windows device ever has "Terrible build quality"? Weird take

There is selection bias in their ownership experience. But I really concur. Microsoft hardware is better than stock Chinese PC hardware, but still not as good as Apple hardware (all produced in China).

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by pathartl »

neodymiumphish wrote: post #131
pathartl wrote: post #128

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Honestly, I find this to be such a weird argument. Apple does the same crap with iCloud and people put their hardware on a pedestal when it has the same inherent flaws, often for a much higher price. And maybe you share this opinion, I just want to point out that this hardware from MS is relatively benign in the grand scheme of the PC world.

Completely agree that Apple does the exact same stuff with account management and iCloud notifications, but I don’t understand where these arguments keep coming from that Apple is more costly. The 13.5 sLaptop 6 for Business is, i5/8gb/256gb is $1200 Compare that the 14” MBP (M3/8gb/512gb) for $1600. The diff in SSD storage offsets some of the cost, but not the whole $400 However, the 13” MacBook Air with the same sp…

Yes, my argument was not that the Surface was competitive in pricing. There are much more reasonable options in the Windows world.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by neodymiumphish »

pathartl wrote: post #174
neodymiumphish wrote: post #131

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Completely agree that Apple does the exact same stuff with account management and iCloud notifications, but I don’t understand where these arguments keep coming from that Apple is more costly. The 13.5 sLaptop 6 for Business is, i5/8gb/256gb is $1200 Compare that the 14” MBP (M3/8gb/512gb) for $1600. The diff in SSD storage offsets some of the cost, but not the whole $400 However, the 13” MacBook Air with the same sp…

Yes, my argument was not that the Surface was competitive in pricing. There are much more reasonable options in the Windows world.

Well you said “from MS,” so I took that as one would.

Comparing some third party provider against Apple isn’t entirely reasonable, unless they’re marketing a very similarly premium brand.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by pathartl »

neodymiumphish wrote: post #175
pathartl wrote: post #174

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Yes, my argument was not that the Surface was competitive in pricing. There are much more reasonable options in the Windows world.

Well you said “from MS,” so I took that as one would. Comparing some third party provider against Apple isn’t entirely reasonable, unless they’re marketing a very similarly premium brand.

There are _many_ manufacturers that have premium products, including your "boring" manufacturers like HP, Dell, and Lenovo.

Re: Microsoft Launches Surface Laptop 6 for Business and Surface Pro 10

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Post by neodymiumphish »

pathartl wrote: post #176
neodymiumphish wrote: post #175

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Well you said “from MS,” so I took that as one would. Comparing some third party provider against Apple isn’t entirely reasonable, unless they’re marketing a very similarly premium brand.

There are _many_ manufacturers that have premium products, including your "boring" manufacturers like HP, Dell, and Lenovo.

True, and all of their MSRPs are easily comparable to Apple’s similarly-specked hardware.
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